Poker Discussion Post

doubledave22:

rock just as an fyi, not that it makes too much of a difference, but my image was not lag at the time as I hadn't been at the table for more than like 4 orbits prob. lab rat just mentioned that I am a laggier reg in general. fwiw I feel I'm checking this flop to lab with 90%+ of my range just because I felt his preflop flat was kind of odd given stack sizes.

Frank1The1Tank:

rock just as an fyi, not that it makes too much of a difference, but my image was not lag at the time as I hadn't been at the table for more than like 4 orbits prob. lab rat just mentioned that I am a laggier reg in general. fwiw I feel I'm checking this flop to lab with 90%+ of my range just because I felt his preflop flat was kind of odd given stack sizes.

rock3656:

 Id snap call hes REPPING alot of combination's that are weighted towards bigger two pairs, however do you really believe that he would check the flop a high percentage of the time with AJ or AT its not out of the question, However if he had a laggy image he is probably betting the flop with those hands a very high percentage of the time. The turn brings alot of draws while also turning your percieved range somewhat faceup, when you flat the turn bet here NO ONE is ever putting the Labrat on a low two pair in a 1k 6 max on a drawey ass board. They have you on a draw a small percentage of the time, and a on a marginal 1 pair hand most of the time. You did an awesome job of balancing your range on the turn, but what you failed to realize is that you were pretty much at the very top of your range, your range appears extremely marginal to FRANK. He knows your a nit he knows youll not call him with 1 pair(which is what he has you on 99% of the time in this spot.) So he can get you to fold like ALL of the hands that you are representing on the turn, since you have the top of your range and your hand is very deceptive at this point you have to call vs a smart LAG. Your hand is just soooo underepped and hes representing like 3 combinations of hands on a board that is FULLL of combos. For whoever said that Franks range is 100% balanced here thats just str8 up retarded. Hes going to be heavily weighted towards air or REALLY strong hands on this board pretty much all the time. Hes not going to value bet YOU thin with worse then 2 pair so you really gotta think about WTF hes repping and what he thinks YOU HAVE. When your approaching a situation vs a good player don't think so much about what he has, you gotta think about what he thinks you have and go from there. Cliffnotes: Your hand appears like your trying to get to showdown, you are a known nit, you dont reguraly play 1ks and frank knows this, you are at the top of your range, Frank is representing like 3 combinations of value hands on a board that is FULL of shit and a board that is GR8 to bluff a nit thats hand appears to be 1 pair a majority of the time. There are very few legitimate combos that YOU can have that flat preflop and have better then one pair as well.

 probably one of the best strategy threads posted in a while, more of these might actually save this site lol.

I think the flat pre is fine. The river is dumb because like the mtt ballers said your hand is  a bluff catcher. I probably end up folding here, thinking frank wont bluff in this spot, but I dont have enough hands with him, to make this call. But overall great analysis guys keep it up!!

apestyles:

Heh I probably come off a little douchey in my last post too. Anyway, alot of the time I agree with your posts but I think its a stretch here. I don't think your bet on the river as a bluff would show a long term profit and I do not think that balancing here does you any favors as it will not change whether or not you get paid in future spots like this plus its a super uncommon spot with one random and one semi-reg.  I also think its a huge error to give the random in the pot much credit as a hand reader and doubt he's folding 2 pair ever - pretty sure he knows nothing about ur ranges and how often ur bluffing vs value betting etc.  Although now that its on p5s everyone knows ur capable of bluffing in kind of sick spots so mission accomplished.

Is it bad that I learn who is nitty and lag from threads like this, and usually it is the opposite of what I think of them? 

Yes, because you likely haven't played with the regs enough to have much info on them anyway.

lol i wasn't being serious..

Frank1The1Tank:

Yes, because you likely haven't played with the regs enough to have much info on them anyway.

jtown1010:

Is it bad that I think you post kind of nitty but don't seem that nitty IRL?

IDK maybe I'm confused, I always thought you were a pretty tight fella based on how you posted in threads that I've read. Then again maybe you just like to give the lowest variance advice given limited information. But I could also be completely wrong IDK, do you pretend to be a nit online?

jtown1010:

IDK maybe I'm confused, I always thought you were a pretty tight fella based on how you posted in threads that I've read. Then again maybe you just like to give the lowest variance advice given limited information. But I could also be completely wrong IDK, do you pretend to be a nit online?

 Rock/Ape are the winners

I call, because of everything Rock said.

Frank1The1Tank:

It's because the majority of the hands posted on forums are ones where the player made a bad call and is asking about whether or not he should be calling. As a result majority of the hands posted are the ones that should be folded due to the situation/board texture/etc. You rarely see people posting hands from a hero call they made that ended up being correct.

Cliffs: So I guess I "look" like a night a lot of the time but its only because most decisions we see on forums are skewed and should be folds majority of the time.