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No reads on villian, but i recognize him and know he is a capable player.
Full Tilt Poker Game #15814593732: $19,500 Guarantee (115775150), Table 16 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:16:51 ET - 2009/11/05
Seat 1: jambeek (8,029)
Seat 2: kersepit (4,027)
Seat 3: 32Beat (6,840)
Seat 4: crouts (17,849)
Seat 5: Yeshaya (4,649)
Seat 6: eux2 (7,340)
Seat 7: ozic83 (4,170)
Seat 8: ryanwelch (12,731)
Seat 9: karen-tuz (8,769)
jambeek antes 25
kersepit antes 25
32Beat antes 25
crouts antes 25
Yeshaya antes 25
eux2 antes 25
ozic83 antes 25
ryanwelch antes 25
karen-tuz antes 25
kersepit posts the small blind of 120
32Beat posts the big blind of 240
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ryanwelch [Kc Qh]
crouts raises to 580
Yeshaya folds
eux2 folds
ozic83 folds
ryanwelch calls 580
karen-tuz folds
jambeek has 15 seconds left to act
jambeek folds
kersepit folds
32Beat calls 340
*** FLOP *** [4c Qd 8s]
32Beat checks
crouts checks
ryanwelch has 15 seconds left to act
ryanwelch bets 1,440
32Beat has 15 seconds left to act
32Beat folds
crouts calls 1,440
*** TURN *** [4c Qd 8s] [2c]
crouts checks
ryanwelch has 15 seconds left to act
ryanwelch checks
*** RIVER *** [4c Qd 8s 2c] [Kh]
crouts has 15 seconds left to act
crouts bets 2,950
Now, my question is this. Is the river a call or a shove?? His utg raise and flop chk was a little weird. However my hand is disguised as well by chking the turn. My shove range gets value from a very small range of hands. The range of hands that beat me are very small as well tho.
Anyways, what do you guys think about the hand??
Shove or call?
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cchan
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11-05-2009 1:38 PM
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i shove. looks like ak. since you gave a free card on teh turn.
but then again, i suck at poker
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hmm. well you're beat by 44 and 88. you beat his random floats OOP and pocket aces. Based off of ranges you should shove but against a capable player i think i just call cause i think like 98% of the time its a set or air edit: misread HH. he won't hardly ever have air here cause he raised PF and c/c on that dry ass board. shit might even be a fold lol
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if you shove would he call you w/ AK or AA? just call imo
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CayneB
(United States)
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11-05-2009 1:56 PM
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I think this is just a call, imo.
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I would just call. I don't think you get paid off with a raise with any hand other than maybe AK, which would also probably fold and I think would be a strange check/call on flop. Sets are in his range as played for sure.
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I'd say call as he has you covered and there are several possible hands that have you beat.
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if he's a capable player, he's prolly not callin a shove with anything you beat...so i guess we just call and make sure he isn't working a monster...
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i likes a lil min raise here i does i know thats not what u asked but i dont think he can pay u off all in without beating you but i think u are a head and can get some value for it it.
your hand is well hidden especially with the check on the turn and i dont think the fact hes capable is too much of a worry- if anything i think it adds to the possibility he is just sensing weakness and representing a little.. ak?aq?kq? poss even jq? jj-? did ya see it in the end then? i think u called which is also good =)
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i just call to solidify my nitty image
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I wasnt paying much attention to this tourney cuz i was playin cash. And ended up shoving. But after i thought about the hand.. I think its 100% a call. A shove is terrible vs a good player. However, had he bet the flop and i calld. And the turn went chk chk. I think a shove is much more profitable.
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I can't imagine any hand he plays that way that you beat and calls your shove.
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I wasnt paying much attention to this tourney cuz i was playin cash. And ended up shoving. But after i thought about the hand.. I think its 100% a call. A shove is terrible vs a good player. However, had he bet the flop and i calld. And the turn went chk chk. I think a shove is much more profitable.
Sounds like he had a set? What did he show up with?
Edit : A set seems very unlike tho as he checked first twice.
I`d just call fwiw. And I agree that a shove would make more sense if he bet flop and check turn.
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Sounds like he had a set? What did he show up with?
I`d just call fwiw. And I agree that a shove would make more sense if he bet flop and check turn.
He had top set of QQ.
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