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Is anybody else worried about this 60 Minutes "online poker cheats" segment?
epicatc (United States) 1,698 Posts. Joined 04-20-2005.
06-18-2008 12:40 AM

I heard about it vaguely on N82s blog a while back, and heard that they were at the Rio shooting it earlier today. As far as I know, it's gonna be about the AP/UB scandals, but I doubt its scope will be limited to that. I really dont trust the mainstream media to present this honestly; instead, I think it's gonna be very damaging to online poker in general and might set back the cause. Ive got a bad feeling a bunch of wannabe politicans will be lining up before the elections to make this an issue again. Anybody heard any specifics? Am I just being overly negative about this? Any chance this will be good for poker?
 
 
 

mrdrevil2u (United States) 341 Posts. Joined 03-27-2007.
06-18-2008 7:34 PM - In reply to

MarkFSU1: 

I havent read all the responses, but gov't regulation of online poker will not be a good thing for the professionals.  Govt regulation will only cause huge barriers of entry for the casual player to be able to play and will probably cause alot of people to leave, let alone the people that watch this show who will now never play online because they  think they are being robbed.  This isnt good for poker at all, let alone online poker. 

Yeah, yeah, I see how hard it is to play poker in the heavily regulated states of CA and NEV. I have such a hard time finding a game of poker...NOT.

Dude, you have to be kidding.

MarkFSU1 (United States) 2,596 Posts. Joined 04-05-2007.
06-18-2008 7:51 PM - In reply to

Yeah, yeah, I see how hard it is to play poker in the heavily regulated states of CA and NEV. I have such a hard time finding a game of poker...NOT.


What does Vegas live poker have anything to do with online govt regulated poker.  Secondly, I dont live in CA or NEV and do not want to.  What do either of those states have to do with me?  Way to completely misread my post.  If you think this is going to have a positive impact in any way on poker or that poker in general will not be hurt by this then you are clearly clueless .  Online poker was the 'poker boom' and making a show that is going to depict online poker as bunch of cheats is not good.  The govt setting strict rules on the companies that sponsor online poker and setting rules on what players will have to do to be able to play is not good.  You come on a poker forum and talk shit about a game that judging by your scores you clearly have no clue how to play.  Of course you dont care, this doesnt affect your livelihood. 

mrdrevil2u (United States) 341 Posts. Joined 03-27-2007.
06-18-2008 7:57 PM - In reply to

 

I suppose you submit that CA and NV poker is unregulated? Then well there is nothing that anyone can say. It's heavily regulated. In the end it will all be the same.  Your post is both hysterical and humorous as it is crazy and unreasonable.

MarkFSU1 (United States) 2,596 Posts. Joined 04-05-2007.
06-18-2008 8:01 PM - In reply to

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Re:Is anybody else worried about this 60 Minutes "online poker cheats" segment? In reply to
By mrdrevil2u on 06-18-2008 7:34 PM Reply Quote

MarkFSU1:  

I havent read all the responses, but gov't regulation of online poker will not be a good thing for the professionals.  Govt regulation will only cause huge barriers of entry for the casual player to be able to play and will probably cause alot of people to leave, let alone the people that watch this show who will now never play online because they  think they are being robbed.  This isnt good for poker at all, let alone online poker. 

Yeah, yeah, I see how hard it is to play poker in the heavily regulated states of CA and NEV. I have such a hard time finding a game of poker...NOT.

Dude, you have to be kidding.
Once again way to completely misread my post

mrdrevil2u (United States) 341 Posts. Joined 03-27-2007.
06-18-2008 8:14 PM - In reply to

O.K. so you submit the pros would suffer.  Pros are doing fine in in NV and CA and its heavily regulated.  I am telling you the point is off base.


MarkFSU1 (United States) 2,596 Posts. Joined 04-05-2007.
06-18-2008 8:26 PM - In reply to

Apparently the only pros in the 50 states of the US reside in NV and CA...and what part of govt regulated online poker do u seem to be misunderstanding with live pros?


mrdrevil2u (United States) 341 Posts. Joined 03-27-2007.
06-18-2008 8:30 PM - In reply to

Apparently all the states that have live poker rooms have no regulation and there are no pros there either. I mean if we are going to be total retards lets be retards.


RichardHurtz (Russian Federation) 1,863 Posts. Joined 05-05-2007.
06-18-2008 8:32 PM - In reply to

mrdrevil2u: 

Apparently all the states that have live poker rooms have no regulation and there are no pros there either. I mean if we are going to be total retards lets be retards.



Absolute ownage.

MarkFSU1 (United States) 2,596 Posts. Joined 04-05-2007.
06-18-2008 8:48 PM - In reply to

NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT LIVE POKER...we are talking about ONLINE poker.  WTF, we are talking about the US govt trying to impose laws on the internet and foreign based companies.  You have no clue what you are talking about.  Nobody gives a shit about the 1/2 game you play at the dog track and those "pros" u seem to believe are there.  There is sooooo much more here than you seem to understand.  These are NOT US COMPANIES and half the players ARE NOT US PLAYERS.  I am talking about US Regulation of ONLINE POKER.  I guess when people say poker professional you only assume live players are pros???  The US govt telling foreign based countries that foreign residents must abide by US law is completely absurd.  Can you imagine China telling the US that Americans must abide by Chinese law regarding American companies??  You have completely misread and misunderstood everything I have said...


OGHowie (United States) 627 Posts. Joined 12-17-2006.
06-18-2008 9:55 PM - In reply to

jesus, what ever happened to that idea of a High Stakes Forum???? must have 1200 PLBs to enter


Adam (Costa Rica) 11,354 Posts. Joined 12-21-2004.
06-18-2008 10:21 PM - In reply to

epicatc: 
Perhaps you could clear that up for me Adam - I dont think it was specified in any of the materials released about the UB fiasco - was that perpetrated the same way as at AP (ie by means of a backdoor left by programmers and used by employees)?


What happened on AP was done by AJ Green.  A lot of people have speculated that Scott Tom was involved as well (hasn't been proven or admitted, but it seems likely to me as well).  Scott and AJ are best buddies....Scott was one of the original owners of AP, and AJ has bounced around throughout the industry in high level jobs.  Neither of these guys could have possibly had anything to do with what happened on UB, which was going on well before AP got involved with UB.

So really, the chance of the incidents even being related (other than that two similar thing happened on websites that are now owned by the same company) is pretty minimal.

At first glance it seems likely that they would be related, and since the vast majority of everyone is making assumptions based on that (and other false information), more and more has spread "verifying" this sort of idea.  It actually looks a lot more like what happened at UB actually was done by mid-level employees, whereas what happened with AP was (admittedly) done by someone very high up at the time.

epicatc (United States) 1,698 Posts. Joined 04-20-2005.
06-18-2008 10:28 PM - In reply to

Thanks for clearing that up Adam. They never really released specifics of how it was done, as they did with AP, so when it said it was someone inside the company, I assumed it was the same scam. Of course, Im not putting money back on either regardless.
 
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