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i dont see the problem with dishing out a slowroll in a sng,maybe you disagree but i think its good to put ur opponent on tilt dont flame me,just my views!
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If you're slowrolling, then it's probably for all the chips, therefore leading to their exit in the sng. So then you're putting them on tilt so that someone else can clean up on the money and finish what you started? Counter-productive, in my opinion.
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the only reason to slowroll would be a revenge slowroll whenever someone slowrolls me i put a note to slowroll them every chance i get. slowrolling is pretty much the spitting in your face of online poker. dont do it. if you do you truly are an asshole, and not the good kinda asshole that the girls are attracted to, i mean the asshole that a skunk wouldnt even spew its rancidness out of
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I dislike slowrolling, and I think it's classless, but I'll answer your question considering EV only, because I know that you don't want to hear a moral tirade. You are in it for the money, and I understand your point of view.
So here's the answer, strictly from a mathematical standpoint:
When two players in a SNG clash, especially later on, the other players in the SNG benefit from that clash. Each player involved in that clash is risking chips that are more valuable than the chips they stand to gain. The difference between the equity they risk, and the equity they gain is distributed to the other players.
For instance, $100 9-man SNG, stacks are 3k 3k 3k 3k. Two players clash.
Preflop, the equities are $225 for each player.
| Player |
Chips |
Prob 1st |
Prob 2nd |
Prob 3rd |
Equity |
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Player 1 |
3000 |
0.2500 |
0.2500 |
0.2500 |
$225.00 |
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Player 2 |
3000 |
0.2500 |
0.2500 |
0.2500 |
$225.00 |
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Player 3 |
3000 |
0.2500 |
0.2500 |
0.2500 |
$225.00 |
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Player 4 |
3000 |
0.2500 |
0.2500 |
0.2500 |
$225.00 |
When two players clash, the equities are:
| Player |
Chips |
Prob 1st |
Prob 2nd |
Prob 3rd |
Equity |
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Player 1 |
6000 |
0.5000 |
0.3333 |
0.1667 |
$345.00 |
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Player 2 |
3000 |
0.2500 |
0.3333 |
0.4167 |
$277.50 |
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Player 3 |
3000 |
0.2500 |
0.3333 |
0.4167 |
$277.50 |
So the winner of the hand only gains $120. That's $105 less than a true double-up. So the players who clashed risked $225 to win $120.
The missing $105 doesn't just disappear, it actually gets distributed between the other two players that folded. They each benefit $52.50.
So you would prefer to avoid clashes. Even those where you are a 60-40 favorite might gain you chips, but lose you money.
So while slowrolling might put someone on tilt against you (or make the whole table think you are a jackass and cause them to play worse against you), the result of this is that they are more likely to spite-call you, and even if you are ahead 60-40 or when they do, you don't benefit.
Therefore, it's -EV to make enemies in a SNG, so this move is not profitable in a SNG, where it might arguably be profitable in a cash game.
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 mikeand: | |
is this a level?
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i never slowroll anyone under any circumstance...all slowrollers can get aids
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jennifear i dont think mathematics has any say in slowrolling
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| greggaymer1: | |
i dont see the problem with dishing out a slowroll in a sng,maybe you disagree but i think its good to put ur opponent on tilt
dont flame me,just my views!
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| bantersaurus: | |
jennifear i dont think mathematics has any say in slowrolling
I disagree. A slowroller is more likely to be hated, and more likely to be spite-called. Late in a SNG, being able to push without the fear of being called is important.
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any1 here slowroll and when confronted say u were pre occupied or make an exscuse eg i was on phone etc by the way i aint a slowroller,just wana get the community s views on it
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I think it's pretty classless unless it's revenge.
Plus, you can't really post this without getting flamed.
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agree to disagree jennifear. but im right 
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| bantersaurus: | |
agree to disagree jennifear. but im right
Is there a flaw in my post that I'm missing?
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| bantersaurus: | |
agree to disagree jennifear. but im right
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