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PokerStars Game #12043559377: Hold'em No Limit ($100/$200) - 2007/09/13 - 21:31:55 (ET)
Table 'Subra' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: $tinger 88 ($19900 in chips)
Seat 3: KidPoker ($17901 in chips)
Seat 5: Empire2000 ($29270 in chips)
Seat 7: p3achy_keen ($24690 in chips)
Empire2000: posts small blind $100
p3achy_keen: posts big blind $200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
$tinger 88: folds
KidPoker: raises $400 to $600
Empire2000: raises $1600 to $2200
p3achy_keen: folds
KidPoker: calls $1600
*** FLOP *** [3d 5d 3c]
Empire2000: bets $3400
KidPoker: calls $3400
*** TURN *** [3d 5d 3c] [Kc]
Empire2000: bets $6800
KidPoker said, "yes josh"
KidPoker: raises $5501 to $12301 and is all-in
Empire2000: calls $5501
*** RIVER *** [3d 5d 3c Kc] [Tc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Empire2000: shows [Ah As] (two pair, Aces and Threes)
KidPoker: shows [3h 2h] (three of a kind, Threes)
KidPoker collected $35997 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $36002 | Rake $5
Board [3d 5d 3c Kc Tc]
Seat 1: $tinger 88 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: KidPoker (button) showed [3h 2h] and won ($35997) with three of a kind, Threes
Seat 5: Empire2000 (small blind) showed [Ah As] and lost with two pair, Aces and Threes
Seat 7: p3achy_keen (big blind) folded before Flop
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Daniel has a big range lol
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I hate the word "sick" but this is a sick call:
PokerStars Game #12044144979: Hold'em No Limit ($100/$200) - 2007/09/13 - 22:04:08 (ET)
Table 'Subra' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: $tinger 88 ($41395 in chips)
Seat 3: KidPoker ($27978 in chips)
Seat 5: Empire2000 ($22844 in chips)
Seat 7: p3achy_keen ($36656 in chips)
$tinger 88: posts small blind $100
KidPoker: posts big blind $200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Empire2000: folds
p3achy_keen: folds
$tinger 88: raises $600 to $800
KidPoker: calls $600
*** FLOP *** [8s 5h As]
$tinger 88: bets $1200
KidPoker: calls $1200
*** TURN *** [8s 5h As] [Ks]
$tinger 88: bets $3600
KidPoker: calls $3600
*** RIVER *** [8s 5h As Ks] [6s]
$tinger 88: bets $10200
KidPoker said, "lol no way"
KidPoker said, "I just dont buy it"
KidPoker said, "you ALWAYS have a Q hi flush?"
KidPoker: calls $10200
*** SHOW DOWN ***
$tinger 88: shows [9c Td] (high card Ace)
KidPoker: shows [Ad 6c] (two pair, Aces and Sixes)
KidPoker collected $31595 from pot
KidPoker said, "guess not"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $31600 | Rake $5
Board [8s 5h As Ks 6s]
Seat 1: $tinger 88 (small blind) showed [9c Td] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 3: KidPoker (big blind) showed [Ad 6c] and won ($31595) with two pair, Aces and Sixes
Seat 5: Empire2000 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: p3achy_keen (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Wow. I'm not sure I like Stinger's bet on the end here. I'm a member of cardrunners and like his game (not PLO so much, but NLH seems strong) but this sure seems like a good spot to dump the fcking hand. DN is a certified callstation and to fire 11k at this on the end sure looks desperate. I'm pretty sure I even make this call and I'm much more prone to laying down hands than DN is. Exactly what does Stinger think DN is smooth calling the turn with here? More times than not it will be an Ace with a spade kicker I think. As it turns out, he is just smooth calling because he dislikes his kicker but this river bet smacks of a bluff.
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lol suicidal. that is a great spot to bluff. yeah Daniel made a horrid call, but f results.
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Thats really not a horrid call. Honestly A6 is as valuable as like Ts in that spot. If he called with Ts would it be a bad call?
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You do understand why they have close to the same value, right?
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I think they are no where near close to the same value.
only 2 hands beat Ts.
By calling with A6 there you are saying he does not have
- AK, A8, AXs, ANY spade, a set (although i doubt he would ever bet a set there...)
So daniel made a horrid crying call. It is extremely likely that if Daniel wasn't already behind, the river killed him.
So yes, I call Ts there all day long. Yes, I fold A6 there all day. But maybe we can get some other players opinions.
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DN owns, after empires reraise, DN had a more acurate hand range read then empire, so he figures out that if he hits big at the flop or turn he'll almost get paid for it with huge implied odds making the move profitable...
EDIT: im talking about the hand with the set of 3s
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If you think that Stinger is betting 2s-9s or a set for value, you are extremely mistaken. Its either a complete bluff with a hand with no showdown value or the Qs, maybe the Js.
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I do not believe he would ever bet for set value. That would be a spew.
I simply do not think Daniels call is good. Basically his call is saying I think you had AQ, AJ, A10, A9... hope you dont have a spade (or air... hope you dont have a spade). And if thats the case, it means he was calling the flop and turn behind.
I'll post this on CR later tonight and see what they think.
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I think many are underestimating what can be value bet here. With Daniel flatcalling preflop and calling those 2 bets, I was pretty sure he had a weak ace. After the river comes, if I have the Qs, Js, Ts, or 9s, I'm definitely valuebetting. The 8s and 7s are close and lower would be too thin imo. I thought there was a fairly good chance he had a low spade but that basically = A6 here. Also, Daniel had actually been folding to all of my big river bets throughout the last few days, so I thought it had a good chance of success. He made a good call, credit goes to him.
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