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AN OPEN LETTER TO THE POCKET FIVES ONLINE COMMUNITY
From: Clonie Gowen
First, let me begin by apologizing to the Pocket Fives online community. Simply put, this is the most foolish thing that I have ever done and I am sincerely sorry. This is the type of action that you might expect from a teenager, but certainly not from a Full Tilt Poker Pro.
There is definitely no excuse for my actions, but I want to add a slight bit of clarification. It is important that you know that I employ an editor/collaborator, as many pros do. Rick Fuller edits most of my writing, which is something I will definitely reconsider moving forward. In a moment of very poor judgment, when editing this tip he added some copy that was obviously taken from another source - an action that goes totally against my professional ethics. In so doing, he created a tip that under no circumstance I would have submitted knowingly. He executed extremely poor judgment, as did I by not proofing the final version.
There is no excuse for this and ultimately the end product is my responsibility; a responsibility I fully accept. I will make the necessary changes to ensure that this never occurs again.
I hope this does not reflect poorly on my fellow Full Tilt Pros, all who take great pride in creating entertaining, informative and original tips for your enjoyment
With immense regret,
Clonie Gowen
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I dont how you can ever compare this to the jjprodigy incident this is poker not school, and something this tiny should not be blown out of proportion.
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I will accept an apology over a couple of beverages
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I don't care...maybe JJ can be her new editor.
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So let me get this straight, we are supposed to believe that she wrote the rest of the article and then sent it to Rick to be edited. At which point he scoured the internet and found this one paragraph and decided "hey I think I'll add this to the column" Then he sends in the final article with the paragraph added.
While her apology does sound sincere am I the only one who would say there is absolutely zero chance the above paragraph is exactly what happened?
What happened is one of two things:
1. She went and found a couple paragraphs on the subject and lumped them together for an article at which point Rick was supposed to change the words around a bit and never did.
2. Rick did the article entirely himself by the above method, and she never laid eyes on it.
Either way at this point especially once you have been busted just TELL THE FRIGGIN TRUTH, and that story was obviously not it as nobody edits an article and just blindly decides to add a paragraph to it.
A.J.
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To Jsup -
I wanted to take a moment and issue my own apology to you. Clonie hires me to edit and collaborate on the articles that she writes. In this instance she gave me her thoughts on re-buy tournaments and I wrote the actual words behind the pro-tip. Clonie reviewed what I wrote, made changes where necessary, and submitted the article to Full Tilt for publication. This is a very common situation in poker, many if not most pros are not writers and if they tried to put their thoughts into words it would be horrible reading for most of us.
I had a copy of the article written by you and copied and pasted the first paragraph of your article onto the article I was writing for Clonie, switching out my opening paragraph for yours. I basically thought two of the lines in that paragraph really matched Clonie's thoughts and I intended to change the wording around so that it wasn't the same as the wording you wrote. I got busy and did not come back to the article for a couple of days at which point I forgot that I had pasted that paragraph from your article. It was submitted to Clonie and forwarded to Full Tilt. It was by no means deliberate, nor was any of the real meat of the article anything but original thought. It was a gross and negligent error on my part and I can only offer my humblest apologies.
To those of you who play on Full Tilt or enjoy the tips from the pros, I will say this. This tip from Clonie and every other tip or article from her, are her thoughts and her ideas put into words by me. Every point made in the tip was her point, I just filled around the lines with wording to make it read and flow easier. I would hope that you could understand the need for the vast majority of poker pros to employ someone who could transform their thoughts into words that are easy to read and understand. For those of you who think this is shady or underhanded.... well, too bad. What could possibly be wrong with someone saying, "Hey, here are my thoughts and ideas, can you help me put them into words that everyone will understand?" I assure you all that Clonie has a vast amount of input into everything that is submitted with her name.
Jsup - I used your words without permission. I screwed up. I offer my humblest apologies and assure you it will not happen again.
Regards,
Rick Fuller
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AN OPEN LETTER TO THE POCKET FIVES ONLINE COMMUNITY
From: Clonie Gowen
First, let me begin by apologizing. I am sorry ..... that I got caught.
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Get your checkbook out and make it right for the man then!!! Im sure the "pro's" are getting a nice little cut from FT poker for putting their thougts down for their users. Well, looks to me like JSUP is the one who deserves the money and buy in fees to tourneys more than clonie.
Not to be JSUP's agent, I dont even know the guy, but anything less than a years buy in for WSOP and WPT events of his choice would be appropriate.
He'd have about a 95% chance of hitting the money before clownie anyway...
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Even now they can't get their 2 stories straight. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Clonie says "In a moment of very poor judgment, when editing this tip he added some copy that was obviously taken from another source"
Rick says "she gave me her thoughts on re-buy tournaments and I wrote the actual words behind the pro-tip"
She is saying he edited her tip and he is saying he wrote it from the start. TELL THE TRUTH
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Even if you "intended to change the wording around so that if wasn't
the same as the wording you wrote" it's still plagarism. gg
original thought.
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its not surprising that we cannot expect own thoughts from an ex policeman, lol
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And her boyfriend!!!
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Come on guys, not like we rush to our inbox to find poker advice from Clonie anyhow. Big deal! Ba-dum-ching!
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A couple comments...
1) Pocket Fives members getting a freeroll from FTP and an apology from her makes no sense at all to me. A P5er discovered the plagiarism, but it's not like she posted her article on P5s or did anything against the Pocket Fives community. That is like a teacher getting a reward for discovering a student cheating.
2) I believe her apology/story about as much as I believed JJProdigy and his grandmother. Sure, both Clonie's and JJ's were possible, but they were also unlikely to be true.
3) I am glad that P5s/P5ers are using the site to better the poker world!
-Brian
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Jsup, just put your article publish $$$ rates up, double them, or tripplie them.
You can justify it now..
Jsup, as copied by Clonie..
Better still, offer to write articles for Clonie, at a decent rate.
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