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AN OPEN LETTER TO THE POCKET FIVES ONLINE COMMUNITY
From: Clonie Gowen
First, let me begin by apologizing to the Pocket Fives online community. Simply put, this is the most foolish thing that I have ever done and I am sincerely sorry. This is the type of action that you might expect from a teenager, but certainly not from a Full Tilt Poker Pro.
There is definitely no excuse for my actions, but I want to add a slight bit of clarification. It is important that you know that I employ an editor/collaborator, as many pros do. Rick Fuller edits most of my writing, which is something I will definitely reconsider moving forward. In a moment of very poor judgment, when editing this tip he added some copy that was obviously taken from another source - an action that goes totally against my professional ethics. In so doing, he created a tip that under no circumstance I would have submitted knowingly. He executed extremely poor judgment, as did I by not proofing the final version.
There is no excuse for this and ultimately the end product is my responsibility; a responsibility I fully accept. I will make the necessary changes to ensure that this never occurs again.
I hope this does not reflect poorly on my fellow Full Tilt Pros, all who take great pride in creating entertaining, informative and original tips for your enjoyment
With immense regret,
Clonie Gowen
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People make mistakes. We're human, all of us. Although this looks really, really bad hopefully it will reverberate with the poker educational community and send a clear message that the players that read these articles and look up to the pro's will not tolerate these practices in the future.
"Tips from the pro's" should be just that. I don't care how bad Clonnies grammer is, she needs to write an article "by Clonnie Gowan". Does she use this same editor to respond to player emails in her Bluff Magazine column every month?
We can forgive but not forget. I seriously doubt Clonnie's the only pro that is using an "editor" to edit/write their articles for them. Either give credit to the editor/writer of the article in the publication or make the pro write it themselves.
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edit..
wow - i have to start thinking before i write
gg logic
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Cal / Adam / Riley,
Can we get confirmation that Gamblindude is Rick Fuller?
Also, while I do think JSup deserves some compensation, lets be realistic here. I highly doubt he will get a full year of buy-ins to WPT and WSOP events. I think it would be realistic for Full Tilt to sponsor him into the WSOP main event, maybe a few of the smaller events, and some tourney credits to play on full tilt. Maybe even his own personal avatar on the site.
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Cal
(Costa Rica)
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04-16-2006 12:23 PM
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TTTTTTTT, you must not realize this article was written by Jsup for PocketFives.com and is copyrighted by PocketFives.com. Our content was plagiarized, we will receive reparations for it, and we will use those reparations in some kind of promotion for our community. We already had a promotion with them planned, we will probably just add to that.
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I agree with TTTTTT.
It would have been so much more gracious had she simply stated that she apologized and it was a huge mistake. All the BS about blaming it on the assistant is just so lame.
Ultimately and simply she is responsible. To not take ownership of HER mistake makes her entire response disengenuous.
To the point of all the discussion about compensating JSUP, my personal feeling is there is no gray area. Full Tilt did not wrong JSUP, and we should not hold ill will towards the site. However, one of their compensated players used the work product of another person as if it was their own, and did so in a manner that was as a representative of Full Tilt. Clonie should voluntarily offer something to JSUP (not the pocket fives community) so as to make amends.
Even a minor thing such as providing him with either some freeroll tournaments at Full Tilt or in a minor WSOP event would go a long way to show true remorse.
If this is not forthcoming, JSUP should just let it drop.
The CLASS thing to do would be for Clonie to do this, but it would be a mistake for JSUP to pursue it further if Full Tilt and Clonie don't do the right thing voluntarily.
I do understand that this material was copyrighted by P5's, but in all sincerity it was JSUP who was plagiarized.
GL all,
Chris.
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MarkD
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04-16-2006 12:43 PM
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"I basically thought
two of the lines in that paragraph really matched Clonie's thoughts and
I intended to change the wording around so that it wasn't the same as
the wording you wrote."
This is ok for writers to do?
Also, if Clonie gave her "thoughts" on the subject, why would then this guy have to then find source material?
Isnt Clonie's "thoughts" on the subject the source material?
I also wonder how much this actully goes on, I bet its way more prevelant then we all realize.
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A few thoughts on plagiarism
In traditional journalism plagiarism means the end of a writer's
career. If we as players and readers want poker and poker writing to be
taken seriously we are obligated to be no more tolerant than the
mainstream. It's not really clear who is more at fault right now so I
think the assumption should be that Clonie and Rick are both guilty. I
think it would be highly inappropriate for us as players to financially
support anyone who undermines our game by publishing these dishonest
authors.
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how awesome is it that the pros are coming here to pocketfives and reading articles to better their game. cal,adam, and riley have really put a great site together which is obviously drawing the attention of the pros. i too would hope clonie steps up and does the right thing.
happy easter all
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Tip: Quotation Marks.
Switching words around is still plagiarism. If you like someone's thoughts, even in an introductory capacity, QUOTE THEM, and cite them. Not that hard.
How many others thoughts have you stolen?
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why happy easter to you as well polariss and all the P5ers.
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Cal, first off as you can see, Clonie and The Plagiarizer can not even get their own stories straight. If Jsup's article is copyrighted by P5's, your site, then this is an infringement of your copyright agreement. This is one issue. Jsup can pursue his own legal issues or compensation if he so chooses. As far as compensation by FTP, what does the P5'S community have to do with it? As a player on FTP, I would not look at this as a chance at a "freeroll" when it invloves 4 individuals. If no one wants to take any legal action from P5's or Jsup's end, then this should be a non issue. I'm sure this is not the first time this has happened.
ICE...
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I thought the letter was a nice gesture and showed the class
I expect from a Texan (i'll try to forget she's from Okla).
I'm not sure what the negative reactions represent..
She didn't steal your blinds... and any implication this letter
is contrived or an attempt to minimalize rubs me the wrong way.
gl, Rich
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Adam
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04-16-2006 1:11 PM
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Rick, thanks for coming and stating your stance on what happened. I'd like to note something here, which will likely help you and other aspiring writers and editors in the future. From my understanding, even if you didn't copy the paragraph verbatim and simply used the ideas from an article written by Josh Supsak and that pocketfives.com owned the rights to without giving credit to both of those entities, it is plagiarism. I think it's something that people are overlooking here. Mistake or not, in journalism, you must give credit to the source of an idea, not just the source of specific words you use. So even if you completely reworded that paragraph and didn't give credit to jsup and pocketfives.com as his publisher, you would have been in the wrong, though you likely wouldn't have been so easily caught doing so.
You apologized for using jsup's words without permission, but that's not even the issue--you don't need someone else's permission to use their words. It's simple just to give someone else credit if they said it first and you want to use it in your own publication.
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MrH
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04-16-2006 1:16 PM
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brsavage,
Although I have no personal interest in this matter whatsoever (other than being a recent posting member of P5s, for whatever that is worth), I don't think you are being completely fair here.
Assuming everything that she stated was true, then it's only fair that she gave us some perspective on what happened--ultimately she took responisbiltiy, stating 'there is no excuse for this and ultimately the end product is my responsibility; a responisbility I fully accept'... I undertstand that you are basically saying 'then why even mention the editor?, if you take responsibilty, then suck it up & say sorry all by itself and move on'... the only issue is that to many people there is a world of difference between her side of the story & someone who knowingly & willfully decided to plagiarize someone else's work & try to get away with it. The latter is conniving, underhanded & simply speaks of poor character, while the former merely demonstrates plain negligence & poor judgement, a charge less damning, if true. So it comes down to whether or not you are prepared to offer her the benefit of the doubt... and to be honest the charge of negligence & poor judgement is probably more likely.
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