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I know there's multiple ways too play this hand. I just wanna know what line do u prefer too take. I know table dynamics comes into play, but lets just say villian is an aggro opponent(s). Im Vinnie Verse for those of u who didn't kno
PokerStars Game #30772995887: Tournament #180530769, $300+$20 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2009/07/23 0:41:06 ET
Table '180530769 99' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: bluesboyjoe (3261 in chips)
Seat 2: RickoT (8070 in chips)
Seat 3: icallseat3 (32493 in chips)
Seat 4: aww96 (37579 in chips)
Seat 5: Mr. Jamil (26162 in chips)
Seat 6: IveGotToejam (21038 in chips)
Seat 7: moneytaker85 (10341 in chips)
Seat 8: HooBangin (27037 in chips)
Seat 9: Vinnie Verse (17325 in chips)
bluesboyjoe: posts the ante 50
RickoT: posts the ante 50
icallseat3: posts the ante 50
aww96: posts the ante 50
Mr. Jamil: posts the ante 50
IveGotToejam: posts the ante 50
moneytaker85: posts the ante 50
HooBangin: posts the ante 50
Vinnie Verse: posts the ante 50
icallseat3: posts small blind 300
aww96: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Vinnie Verse [Qh Kh]
Mr. Jamil: calls 600
IveGotToejam: folds
moneytaker85: folds
HooBangin: folds
Vinnie Verse: raises 1496 to 2096
bluesboyjoe: folds
RickoT: folds
icallseat3: folds
aww96: folds
Mr. Jamil: calls 1496
*** FLOP *** [Th 4d Ah]
Mr. Jamil: bets 2097
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4 pages and not one person has brought up position
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DFish
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07-23-2009 10:09 PM
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4 pages and not one person has brought up position
doggystyle imo
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| jpapola: | |
yeah, id need to have a read as a creative player and history with someone to flat here. against someone who knows ur range is most likely polarized on that flop flatting is probably better. for the purposes of this hand against a random im just isoing cause i want to chip up with a hand that flops huge and this is a perfect flop to go with. raise/calling and shoving are debatable, but if ur isoing this players utg limp ur probably expecting him to be weak and then shoving would probably just be the best chance to get him to fold.
quite agree with shoving with a not so close second to flatting then shoving turn, dfish and jeff said it best tbh
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Grip
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07-23-2009 11:17 PM
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i kinda feel like we may too shallow to flat, altho i think its close between that and jamming. ultimately i like a jam. flat is undoubtedly the 2nd best option tho
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| Grip: | |
i kinda feel like we may too shallow to flat, altho i think its close between that and jamming. ultimately i like a jam. flat is undoubtedly the 2nd best option tho
Why would flat be 2nd best option when r/c is basically the same as jamming? I think jamming is the best but making it like 6-8k, jamming any turn or calling ai on flop is prob second best. Idk I hate flatting here, what if we whiff and he just puts us in? Would be a sick spot, whereas just jamming here is always +ev.
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idk why u guys like jamming over just raising.. i feel like a weak ace will call a jam way more often than 3bet the flop all in and will even flat a raise and fold to most turns and jam will fold out weaker flush draws more often than they would 3bet shove the flop with. i like a raise to anywhere between 5-6k
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idk why u guys like jamming over just raising.. i feel like a weak ace will call a jam way more often than 3bet the flop all in and will even flat a raise and fold to most turns and jam will fold out weaker flush draws more often than they would 3bet shove the flop with. i like a raise to anywhere between 5-6k
ya.. this
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why is he lead/folding a flush draw instead of check/jamming?
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theres already about 7k in the pot after he leads the flop, so i just jam. obv anything but fold is not horrible, but jappola or w.e his name is (sorry dont feel like checking it) is dead on about this. its really important for us to win the pot. by raising small on the flop, we never get shoved on worse except for a smaller flush draw. and flatting and when we brick the turn puts us in a weird spot where were either checkign behind or shoving more then the pot. i prefer to jam and take down the 7k thats in the pot or get called by the ace and be flipping. if we were deeper and had like 25k or 30k i could see a flat on the flop being fine to try to induce turn bluff.
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idk why u guys like jamming over just raising.. i feel like a weak ace will call a jam way more often than 3bet the flop all in and will even flat a raise and fold to most turns and jam will fold out weaker flush draws more often than they would 3bet shove the flop with. i like a raise to anywhere between 5-6k
ii dont think anyone with an ace is going to call a raise on the flop and check fold the turn if a blank hits. i feerl like the only turns they are folding are turns that give us a made hand.
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There is too much in the pot on the flop to consider flatting imo. Reraise-get-it-in on flop while you still have FE. Shoving or making 6-8k/calling off are both fine with each having more weight depending on opponent's tendencies.
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idk why u guys like jamming over just raising.. i feel like a weak ace will call a jam way more often than 3bet the flop all in and will even flat a raise and fold to most turns and jam will fold out weaker flush draws more often than they would 3bet shove the flop with. i like a raise to anywhere between 5-6k
agree, definately dont like just shoving
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Grip
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07-24-2009 3:53 AM
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| Grip: | |
i kinda feel like we may too shallow to flat, altho i think its close between that and jamming. ultimately i like a jam. flat is undoubtedly the 2nd best option tho
Why would flat be 2nd best option when r/c is basically the same as jamming? I think jamming is the best but making it like 6-8k, jamming any turn or calling ai on flop is prob second best. Idk I hate flatting here, what if we whiff and he just puts us in? Would be a sick spot, whereas just jamming here is always +ev.
because jamming closes the action. and he knows he has to have the best hand to win the pot. as opposed to raising which your opponent may think he can win the pot by jamming.
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| the_schmenx: | |
4 pages and not one person has brought up position
doggystyle imo
asian cowgirl tho
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