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Here is the email I got from PartyPoker yesterday morning:
Dear Mr Bonomo,
This communication is to inform you of the findings of an investigation launched internally by partypoker.com into six accounts originating from your own location and computer.
These are the accounts in question:
ZeeJustin
IBLUFFUOUT69
jwilson55
vapoker58
mehsab
greenb272
These accounts have been systematically used to enter the same Multi Table Tournaments as a ýteamý, in a deception that is in direct violation of our Terms and Conditions.
Although registered in different names, these accounts have been created with the sole intention of playing as multiple accounts in the same tournaments. All six accounts were consistently logged into at the same time from the same IP/System and show a consistent pattern of being played by the same person.
A decision has been made, in consultation with the Poker Room Manager, Legal and Management, to close these accounts permanently and confiscate all funds. I would ask that you do not attempt to open any further accounts with our company, as these will be closed and any monies therein will be deemed forfeited.
Furthermore, please be informed that we have withdrawn your PPMV Cruise Package and you will no longer appear on the passenger list.
Steve Winter
Manager, Investigations Team
Yes, it’s true. I did use these accounts to enter multiple accounts in the same multi table tournaments. I have never done this in a tournament with less than 1,000 players.
I have been at the same table as myself. For what it’s worth, my standard protocol has been to increase my number of tables when this happens. As most of you know, I will very rarely be playing fewer than six tables at a time. If I had 6 tables open and two of my accounts were brought to the same table, I would simply open up 4-6 more SNGs. I felt that this would negate my unethical advantage. With 10 tables open, I just play tight and solid. I can’t even remember the hole cards one account folded after the flop, and I’m certainly unable to pay special attention to that table. After talking to Curtains, I realize my standard play should have been to sit one account out when this happens, but I want to make it clear that I never used collusion to my advantage, never chip dumped, or did anything of the sort.
However, what Party emailed me is wrong on several subjects.
First of all, the accounts were NOT created solely for MTT use. They were originally created for SNG play. It got to the point where everyone knew that ZeeJustin would steal the blinds often, and everyone called him liberally. I created these accounts to erase this loose image. Everyone would be readless against me, and it was a huge advantage. These accounts all did very well in the big SNGs on PartyPoker.
N82 referred to a hack that let you open multiple Party clients. I have no clue how no one has mentioned this yet, but no such hack was necessary. This is important, so listen up.
All you had to do was click the PartyPoker icon on your desktop very rapidly. If you did that, multiple clients would open up.
Using this bug, I was able to play multiple accounts on the same computer at the same time. I would be in a step 5 on one name, while playing a mini step 5 on another, and no one would ever suspect that it was me.
All of the money that was seized from me was from sit’n’go play where nothing unethical was done. I never entered multiple accounts into the same sit’n’go, never colluded with anyone, never soft played anyone and never chip dumped with anyone.
The other accounts I used never had any big MTT scores. Combined, I am pretty sure they were all long-term losers in the few MTT’s they played. Despite this, almost $100,000 was seized from my accounts.
For those of you that feel safe because my money was taken, open up your eyes. This money will not be returned to the players in any way. PartyPoker is keeping it because they can, just like they did with JJProdigy’s $40,000, and just like they will do to you when you get caught.
I know what you’re thinking right now, “I won’t get caught, because I didn’t do anything wrong.”
First of all, that doesn’t matter. PartyPoker reserves the right to take your money for any reason at any time (although I should point out that this does not make it legal).
Secondly, almost all of you have broken the rules at some point. How many of you have created a second account for rakeback? Neither creating a second account nor receiving rakeback is allowed. Both are expressly forbidden. Maybe you’ll see things my way once all your money is seized for doing that. If I’m a cheater, so are you.
If you are a saint like CSC claims to be, kudos to you. You are in the minority, and are certainly upstanding citizens. I commend you on following Party’s rules and not receiving rakeback. Most of us are too greedy to pass up money that easy.
Furthermore, I would like to point out, that I did NOT break the rules.
5. True Identity and One Account.
The name on your Account must match your true and legal name and identity and the name on your Account registration must match the name on the credit card(s) or other payment accounts used to deposit or receive monies in your Account. You are prohibited from holding more than one Account. If you have more than one (1) Account or Accounts in different names, then you must contact us immediately to have your Accounts managed so that you only have one (1). If you have lost your Account name or password, please contact us for a replacement.
I have one account. That account is named ZeeJustin. My brother also has an account named Bernard61 (formerly jwilson55), and I have used that account quite often. No where in Party’s rules does it say you cannot use someone else’s account. I’m sure many of you have used friends’ accounts before, and there is nothing wrong with this. People will often take over MTT’s for friends that have unforeseen obligations.
I do think what I’ve done is unethical, and I certainly regret doing it, however, I need to point out that no where in Party’s rules is it stated that you cannot enter multiple accounts into the same tournament. Not only do they not forbid it, but to open multiple clients on the same PC, all you have to do is click the icon a bit more rapidly than normal. Great work PartyPoker.
To further show how corrupt PartyPoker is, here is an email I got today from my affiliate manager.
Dear Justin,
We hereby give you notice that we are terminating our Standard Affiliate Agreement (the “Agreement”) with you. Clause 5.3 of the Agreement states that we are entitled to terminate our Agreement without cause immediately upon this written notice to you. We will also be exercising our right under clause 5.3 to terminate all trackers that you have with us.
We ask that you familiarize yourself with clause 5.5 of the Agreement which sets out the effects of termination. We require you to stop promoting our Site and you are no longer entitled to use our Marketing Materials. We also remind you that the obligation of confidentiality and non-disclosure shall, amongst other things, survive the termination of the Agreement.
Yours sincerely
PartyGaming
Sarah Hunter
Affiliate Relations
PartyGaming Marketing (UK)
Email: sarahh@partygaming.com
London Office +44 (0) 20 7337 0100
18 King William Street, London, EC4N 7BP
www.partygaming.com
This email is sent by PartyGaming Marketing (UK), a provider of services to PartyGaming Marketing (Gibraltar). The contents of this email may be subject to approval by an authorized representative of PartyGaming Marketing (Gibraltar).
The information contained in this email, and any attachments hereto, is strictly confidential and solely intended for use by the individual(s) and/or entity(s) to which it is addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify the System Manager at admin@partygaming.com as soon as possible
I have not broken the affiliate agreement in any way shape or form, so PartyPoker is using good old clause 5.3 to stop paying me simply because they can. If this makes you feel safe, you are being completely illogical. It can and will happen to more people, this I guarantee. You’re not safe at all.
In conclusion, I want to make it clear that I regret what I did, and have done somethings that were unethical. Despite this, PartyPoker’s actions are unreasonable, and their power to take the same actions against you should not be taken lightly. This rampage that PartyPoker is on will certainly not end with me. So whatever you do, be careful.
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"If I had 6 tables open and two of my accounts were brought to the same table, I would simply open up 4-6 more SNGs. I felt that this would negate my unethical advantage"
unreal
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Damn... so smart and so dumb at the same time.
Quickly and silently ... take out every penny from every site you ever played on Zee...good luck; hope you pull rent out before it's too late...
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Good for you for stepping up and admitting it. Its also good that you pointed out that even in fields greater than 1000 people, multi accounting CAN result in more than one of your accounts ending up at the same table. I sort of feel that multi-accounting is like steroids...it is wrong, unethical and unfair to those who are not doing it, but it would seem many people ARE doing it. Im sorry that you had your funds confiscated and Im sorry youve been kicked off party. But you are a VERY good player. Im sure you will make back MUCH more than that single-accounting in the future. Im guessing you will ALSO keep much less of your total bankroll on the site itself :-) Thanks for admitting it and showing how dangerous it can be. I wish you luck in the future!
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Regardless of whether you think ZJ was right or wrong, I'd just like to
congratulate him on being honest, forthright, and open with what he did
and how he did it. He didn't attempt to make any excuses and admitted
he was wrong.
Stop grilling him - he's admitted guilt, apologized, and lost ~100K - that's more than enough to go through.
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**edit**. You dont see a problem with playing two accounts in a single tableof MTT? How can you compare that to creating a 2nd account for rakeback, in which the person only uses the new account anyways, obviously?
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LOL , ur response is ridicolous, almost as bad as JJ's!
"If
I had 6 tables open and two of my accounts were brought to the same
table, I would simply open up 4-6 more SNGs. I felt that this would
negate my unethical advantage"
unreal
party poker wont take my money because i dont cheat, pretty neat huh
edit-this music sucks,
maybe lil flip-game over would be better suited or somethign atleast funny
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WHAT? HALF THE PROBLEM IS PEOPLE LIKE YOU SUCKING U PTO CHEATERS. HES ACTING LIKE THE ONLY THING HES SAD ABOUT IS GETTING CAUGHT. THIS IS SICKENING.
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WOW,
Maybe since you are so remorseful they'll give you back the money and everyone will forgive you.
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this music sucks.... at least the cops theme was funny.... i hope this doesnt start a trend of me muting my comp every time i check p5s
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"If I had 6 tables open and two of my accounts were brought to the same table,
I would simply open up 4-6 more SNGs. I felt that this would negate my unethical advantage."
Perhaps you could rob a bank with one eye covered.
Then you could tell the FBI that you negated your unethical actions with an eye patch.
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That's got to be one of the lamest posts I've ever read. And at the moment it's also f*ckd up and needs some editing.
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This is only the begining. I like at least that this appears to be a truthful response, up to the everybody cheats and if you don't you are in the very small minority. I have never had more than one account. Always stickneymarc or stickmrc on every site I've played on. I do though understand the need to sometime hide your identity. Programs like pokertracker make it to easy for people who use it well to have a huge advantage. Part of the reason I switched to playing prima SNG's was to advoid this advantage.
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