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Here is the email I got from PartyPoker yesterday morning:
Dear Mr Bonomo,
This communication is to inform you of the findings of an investigation launched internally by partypoker.com into six accounts originating from your own location and computer.
These are the accounts in question:
ZeeJustin
IBLUFFUOUT69
jwilson55
vapoker58
mehsab
greenb272
These accounts have been systematically used to enter the same Multi Table Tournaments as a ýteamý, in a deception that is in direct violation of our Terms and Conditions.
Although registered in different names, these accounts have been created with the sole intention of playing as multiple accounts in the same tournaments. All six accounts were consistently logged into at the same time from the same IP/System and show a consistent pattern of being played by the same person.
A decision has been made, in consultation with the Poker Room Manager, Legal and Management, to close these accounts permanently and confiscate all funds. I would ask that you do not attempt to open any further accounts with our company, as these will be closed and any monies therein will be deemed forfeited.
Furthermore, please be informed that we have withdrawn your PPMV Cruise Package and you will no longer appear on the passenger list.
Steve Winter
Manager, Investigations Team
Yes, it’s true. I did use these accounts to enter multiple accounts in the same multi table tournaments. I have never done this in a tournament with less than 1,000 players.
I have been at the same table as myself. For what it’s worth, my standard protocol has been to increase my number of tables when this happens. As most of you know, I will very rarely be playing fewer than six tables at a time. If I had 6 tables open and two of my accounts were brought to the same table, I would simply open up 4-6 more SNGs. I felt that this would negate my unethical advantage. With 10 tables open, I just play tight and solid. I can’t even remember the hole cards one account folded after the flop, and I’m certainly unable to pay special attention to that table. After talking to Curtains, I realize my standard play should have been to sit one account out when this happens, but I want to make it clear that I never used collusion to my advantage, never chip dumped, or did anything of the sort.
However, what Party emailed me is wrong on several subjects.
First of all, the accounts were NOT created solely for MTT use. They were originally created for SNG play. It got to the point where everyone knew that ZeeJustin would steal the blinds often, and everyone called him liberally. I created these accounts to erase this loose image. Everyone would be readless against me, and it was a huge advantage. These accounts all did very well in the big SNGs on PartyPoker.
N82 referred to a hack that let you open multiple Party clients. I have no clue how no one has mentioned this yet, but no such hack was necessary. This is important, so listen up.
All you had to do was click the PartyPoker icon on your desktop very rapidly. If you did that, multiple clients would open up.
Using this bug, I was able to play multiple accounts on the same computer at the same time. I would be in a step 5 on one name, while playing a mini step 5 on another, and no one would ever suspect that it was me.
All of the money that was seized from me was from sit’n’go play where nothing unethical was done. I never entered multiple accounts into the same sit’n’go, never colluded with anyone, never soft played anyone and never chip dumped with anyone.
The other accounts I used never had any big MTT scores. Combined, I am pretty sure they were all long-term losers in the few MTT’s they played. Despite this, almost $100,000 was seized from my accounts.
For those of you that feel safe because my money was taken, open up your eyes. This money will not be returned to the players in any way. PartyPoker is keeping it because they can, just like they did with JJProdigy’s $40,000, and just like they will do to you when you get caught.
I know what you’re thinking right now, “I won’t get caught, because I didn’t do anything wrong.”
First of all, that doesn’t matter. PartyPoker reserves the right to take your money for any reason at any time (although I should point out that this does not make it legal).
Secondly, almost all of you have broken the rules at some point. How many of you have created a second account for rakeback? Neither creating a second account nor receiving rakeback is allowed. Both are expressly forbidden. Maybe you’ll see things my way once all your money is seized for doing that. If I’m a cheater, so are you.
If you are a saint like CSC claims to be, kudos to you. You are in the minority, and are certainly upstanding citizens. I commend you on following Party’s rules and not receiving rakeback. Most of us are too greedy to pass up money that easy.
Furthermore, I would like to point out, that I did NOT break the rules.
5. True Identity and One Account.
The name on your Account must match your true and legal name and identity and the name on your Account registration must match the name on the credit card(s) or other payment accounts used to deposit or receive monies in your Account. You are prohibited from holding more than one Account. If you have more than one (1) Account or Accounts in different names, then you must contact us immediately to have your Accounts managed so that you only have one (1). If you have lost your Account name or password, please contact us for a replacement.
I have one account. That account is named ZeeJustin. My brother also has an account named Bernard61 (formerly jwilson55), and I have used that account quite often. No where in Party’s rules does it say you cannot use someone else’s account. I’m sure many of you have used friends’ accounts before, and there is nothing wrong with this. People will often take over MTT’s for friends that have unforeseen obligations.
I do think what I’ve done is unethical, and I certainly regret doing it, however, I need to point out that no where in Party’s rules is it stated that you cannot enter multiple accounts into the same tournament. Not only do they not forbid it, but to open multiple clients on the same PC, all you have to do is click the icon a bit more rapidly than normal. Great work PartyPoker.
To further show how corrupt PartyPoker is, here is an email I got today from my affiliate manager.
Dear Justin,
We hereby give you notice that we are terminating our Standard Affiliate Agreement (the “Agreement”) with you. Clause 5.3 of the Agreement states that we are entitled to terminate our Agreement without cause immediately upon this written notice to you. We will also be exercising our right under clause 5.3 to terminate all trackers that you have with us.
We ask that you familiarize yourself with clause 5.5 of the Agreement which sets out the effects of termination. We require you to stop promoting our Site and you are no longer entitled to use our Marketing Materials. We also remind you that the obligation of confidentiality and non-disclosure shall, amongst other things, survive the termination of the Agreement.
Yours sincerely
PartyGaming
Sarah Hunter
Affiliate Relations
PartyGaming Marketing (UK)
Email: sarahh@partygaming.com
London Office +44 (0) 20 7337 0100
18 King William Street, London, EC4N 7BP
www.partygaming.com
This email is sent by PartyGaming Marketing (UK), a provider of services to PartyGaming Marketing (Gibraltar). The contents of this email may be subject to approval by an authorized representative of PartyGaming Marketing (Gibraltar).
The information contained in this email, and any attachments hereto, is strictly confidential and solely intended for use by the individual(s) and/or entity(s) to which it is addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify the System Manager at admin@partygaming.com as soon as possible
I have not broken the affiliate agreement in any way shape or form, so PartyPoker is using good old clause 5.3 to stop paying me simply because they can. If this makes you feel safe, you are being completely illogical. It can and will happen to more people, this I guarantee. You’re not safe at all.
In conclusion, I want to make it clear that I regret what I did, and have done somethings that were unethical. Despite this, PartyPoker’s actions are unreasonable, and their power to take the same actions against you should not be taken lightly. This rampage that PartyPoker is on will certainly not end with me. So whatever you do, be careful.
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London bridge is falling down..falling down..falling down....
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You got what you deserved. Just be thankful that you weren't cheating in a live game; you may have lost a few teeth in addition to your bankroll.
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helixx
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02-24-2006 5:18 PM
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I hardly post because I choose to NOT get caught up in this drama-pool. I've got my own opinions - that's all I really care about...guess I'm selfish.
In reading Justin's statement... he includes Party responses. As I was reading all the bs verbatum I just had to laugh at where they state it's their responsibility to protect the integrity of their site in its entirety yadda yadda.
Justin's right when he says noone will be reimbursed for whatever money lost. Noone was directly affected - therefore it's not collusion. That's exactly how crooked of a site you're all playing on. If you guys wonder why I only play on PokerStars? It's simply because when PS says anything about their site's integrity, they prove it through the actions they take to improve it.
From July 05' up until present, I have been a direct victim of collusion while playing poker online. This occurred on PS. I had no clue either. The only reason I even found out about it was because I received an e-mail from PS Security explaining the occurances and why my account would reflect an increased balance because they deposited an 'estimated' amount that they think may have been affected by the colluders. Really look into the site you're playing on - before you put your money on it.
All in all, this goes for Justin, as well as JJ - this bs DOES NOT and WILL NOT change the fact that they are great poker players... PERIOD. Kudos to Party for finally trying to fool-proof their system by trying to erradicate the many loopholes in their system/software etc. It's about god damn time. Shame that 2 great players must take the fall for their neglegance - reputations ruined.
totally breaks my fucking heart to see this kind of bullshit. please don't excuse my language - I'm really pissed about this crap. You all need to refrain from calling them cheaters. That's not what they are. it's more of a lack of accountability issue. Obviously, they've taken accountability for their actions. That's the first step to learning from mistakes. You recognize them, admit to them, and do what it takes to prevent them from occuring 'within', and move the fuck on.
They're moving forward now. Why don't all of YOU!?
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There are way too many rich greedy retards in this world.
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That statement was self-centered nonsense. His "confession" 1) is not a confession of someone who needs to get something of his chest, he got caught, plain and simple. Its like everyone who engages in illegall/immoral activity, gets caught then tries to blame "society" to somehow save face. His actions were obviously wrong and PP has every right to seize every dollar in his account. There is no way to distinguish what money was made legally and what was made illegally. Therefore, it doesn't matter how talented he "was" and how much money he made by his own accord. HE SHOULDNT HAVE PUT HIS IMMENSE TALENT AT RISK BY CHEATING.
2) the best part is "I did not break the rules." THis is comedy. He points out that there is no rule against what he did. THere are no signs on the poker room walls that say you cannot cheat. It is implicit in the game and what you did violated the assumption that a poker player will not cheat. You owe anyone you played against in a MTT an apology, and you should look inward at your own actions and not project any blame or guilt on anyone else.
Thats my two cents,
Droogy22
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hahahahahaha. now i know why i make money so easily online. People in the poker community are seriously some of the dumbest people ever.
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THAT is a very good question. I don't get it. It is like having unprotected sex with a girlfriend you don't trust.
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The sad thing about this, from ZeeJustins perspective, is all of the hours he grinded to make that 100k on sit and goes. Its not like JJ who just had one big tourney hit in one afternoon, Justin made that money spending countless hours grinding. I was multitabling party sit and goes once and managed to turn $600 to $5,000 in just a few days, playing the $100 and $200 (in fact probably bumped up against justins aliases). But I was playing 14 hours each day and it was hard, mind numbing work. In fact it got the best of me and I ended up losing the whole $5,000 after I went on a huge bad streak not cashing in about 20 sit and goes in a row (I was 40% ITM prior over about 200 sit and goes).
I am not saying I feel sorry for Justin, nor that I condone his cheating in MTTs, but it does seem somewhat unfair to take his money from sit and goes which is a completely unrelated issue to his MTT cheating.
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jemenz
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02-24-2006 5:40 PM
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If Stars is refunding money from the recent closures, THAT WOULD BE GREAT!!! anyone else get reimbursed?
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Well how about those Mets?
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I can't believe that poeple knowingly cheat and dont think they are going to get caught. Maybe the people you hang out with all cheat but to come on here and call us all cheaters is not right. I don't know all the top players personally but I am sure most of them havent cheated the system. I am glad to see that the sites are cracking down. by you cheating may effect all of us in the long run giving the government more of a reason to ban online poker.
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En71
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02-24-2006 5:47 PM
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"my question is.. Why would you keep $100k on one site??"
he plays in the biggest sngs and needs to spread the money evenly over 6 accounts, i dont see the problem with it, he just had like a -15k downswing i think. plus it must be very hard to move and manage money in 6 accounts and depends how many netellers he has so he just keeps some extra buyins in his account than he normally would if he could move the money fast
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