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CarbonPoker · Full Tilt · Cake Poker · PokerStars · Ultimate Bet · Players Only · Bodog
Greetings everyone, longtime reader first-time poster.
Last Saturday, the 16th, Pokerroom.com ran their Christmas tournament, which was advertised to every player on the site as a $20+2 NL MTT with additional prizes of an HDTV for first and Pokerroom merchandise for 2nd-10th. Cruising around the site, I thought about playing in said tournament, and when I popped into the lobby for said tournament, it advertised a $19000 guarantee. As there were only about 200 players registered at the time, the overlay was rather large so I decided that I would definitely play.
I won. $3,829.81 and a $2000 HDTV. For my first big score in an MTT. That's not why I am here today, however.
Yesterday morning I received an email from Pokerroom informing me that there had been a mistake in the payouts. They claimed that I was only due $404.75 and would thus have $3,425.06 removed from my account immediately. And oh, by the way, they were letting me keep my $22 buyin and, if I finished in the top 10, whatever bonus prize I earned. They didn't even have the decency to look into matters closely enough to realize that I was not only in the top 10, but the winner.
For a 265 person tourney with no guarantee at the $20+2 level, first place pays $1590 on Pokerroom. I looked it up. That, however, is not the point here. Pokerroom has decided that they can arbitrarily enter people's accounts and remove large portions of their bankrolls on a whim. They have also decided that, not only can they renege on claims of a guarantee, but they can also advertise "extra" prizes but actually use people's tourney buyins to cover the costs of said "extras" whilst systematically reducing the cash payouts for everyone in their tournaments.
Pokerroom's support team has handled this in a laughably unprofessional manner, ignoring all arguments about the meaning of the word "extra" and attempting to liken the situation to a bank accidentally putting extra money in your account and claiming that the money never belonged to us in the first place. This tournament ran for 5 hours and 15 minutes. Those payout levels were posted the entire time, and pretty much everyone who made the final table has screenshots of their payouts. A large number of players in the tournament likely only played in said event because of the overlay, and a large number of previously happy players who cashed in this tournament are now receiving either merely their buyin back or a one-of-a-kind, super valuable PokerRoom travel kit in lieu of any cash prizes. Not as extra prizes as advertised, mind you, but in lieu of actual prizes.
Scams like this cannot be allowed to continue. There are always concerns about legitimacy and legality in the online poker world (generally voiced by all our friends and family who don't play), but the poker world would not have advanced to the point it has if every major poker website was allowed to treat its customers in this manner. I have removed all remaining cash from my Pokerroom account, and I urge all of you to strongly consider how confident you are in the security of your accounts before doing business with Pokerroom.com ever again. I hope that you will all spread knowledge of this incident throughout the online poker community in the hopes that awareness leads to a positive resolution for all online poker players.
Thank you for your time.
Zander
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is their e-mail support@pokerroom.com? Im gonna write them and tell them I was considering depositing(which is true) but after reading zander's comments I will not be joining their online poker room.
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zander
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12-19-2006 11:14 AM
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They also told one of their moderators who posted supporting us that his assistance was no longer necessary and removed his moderator rights.
This is unreal.
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God, so fucking sick. I literally re-downloaded their app yesterday and was gonna deposit today when my cashout from another site gets to Neteller, THANKS for reminding me what a joke they are.
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dd
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12-19-2006 11:23 AM
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PokerRoom must be in serious financial difficulty to try shit like that.
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Awful. I'll be withdrawing from there. Hated the place any way, was only any good because the quality of play is so poor.
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That's standared Poker Room. The last tournament I played on there was one of the week night guarantees 20,000 it used to be. 22 plus rebuys and add-ons. Well, I was chip leader 2 hours in. The site crashed. Now I dont care that the site crashed, that's not what I have a problem with. I have a problem that 70% of the players were away, but they let the tournament continue. About an hour and a half later I finally logged back on and 7 at my table were away. The other guys were just stealing the blinds as fast as they could. I called support and that also was a joke. It's good their out of the American market, because people that speak English couldn't understand them anyway. I ended up getting like 50 bucks for finishing 98th or whatever, and they were so gracious that they gave me a 20+2 ticket. I'd say that cost me at least a thousand dollars. I vowed never to play there again.
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Embarassing. I really dont know why anybody plays anywhere but pokerstars anymore.......
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I have 340$ stuck on there site, i tried cashing out and they closed my account for a random security check back in the middle of august, they said they needed my license faxed to them, so i sent it in and i talked to live support last night and they said they are still working on it.
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Would you have joined if you didn't notice the overlay? I realize that's not entirely the point since the amount everyone was getting was posted for a long period of time, I'm just curious. If you wouldn't have joined, that makes this situation even worse. I.E. They got you to join because of the guarantee, then they took it away.
Then said they didn't do anything wrong.
Then said they did, but tried to lo-ball you.
Then....who knows....
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i just did my part, i emailed pokeroom and let them know that we're all on to them and their wicked ways :)
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IagoX9
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12-19-2006 12:29 PM
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wow that is absurd...definitely never playing at pokerroom.com...thats the most rediculous thing i have ever heard...ban pokerroom
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IagoX9
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12-19-2006 12:33 PM
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whaaaaaaaaaat thats like a slap in the face...admitting they made a mistake and then giving you $100...sweet thanks
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zander
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12-19-2006 12:35 PM
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Funny how slowly Pokerroom comes around. Now that most of the FT has posted in that thread, they sent me a personal mail, not in the thread, telling me they will be giving me $2000 back by tomorrow. Why not just admit the mistake publicly, save face, and restore everyone's original payouts?
To be fair, financially it's probably a bad idea for me to keep fighting as I now have 2000 of the 3400 they stole from me back (or will within 24 hours), but I just can't shake the feeling that this shouldn't end until everyone gets everything back.
May the owners of all sites be so "generous."
z
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HERE IS THE 4TH PLACE FINISHERS STORY...
On the 15th of December I received an email from Pokeroom advertising " The big xmas tourneys" to be played on the 16th and 17th of December. I entered the $20 + 2 xmas tourney that had an advertised prizemoney of GUARANTEED $19000 and the winner was also to get a $2000 flat tv screen. I came 4th in the tourney and a consequence I received prize money of around $1200. With my account all cashed up I played a few tourneys over the last 2 days which left my account balance of around $900. About 1 hour ago my whole balance disapeared. When I contacted support they told me that they had made a mistake and they had overpaid us. they say that they are still looking into it but all money has been detacted. Is it fair??? If they advertised $19000 guaranteed tournament shouldn't they stick to their word??
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Ummm.. So where is the pokerroom rep? This must be too embarassing to address
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