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Screen name on UB NioNio
I was watching Phil get his ass kicked and I guess that account is being investigated as a superuser account on UB
Played like 8K hands, up $600,000 and then all of a sudden the account was gone,
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yes but if he was clever then why would they?
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yes, but his stats and win rates almost absolutely indicate it 100%
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I would really like to hear from Shipitthisway and green plastic. If they have ever played with this account and see some hand histories if they have them
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Remember when everyone thought that Potripper (et al) wouldn't have been caught if he had been more careful with how he used/abused the "superuser" super powers. Well - this may very well be a better disguised superuser. Still - you need to lose once in a while.
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If they played him then it is 100% they lost money to him
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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthread.php?p=2191000&posted=1#post2191000
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I just don't think you can have a win rate like that without cheating......its way too sick to be real.
Maybe someone just got smarter than the last account and lost a few pots or made a few bad calls to try and doge suspicion.....
Win rate is just too sick IMO
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I was the orgignial starter of this thread in high stakes no limit on two plus two. It was me (I am trambopoline on 2p2) and gaucho21 who orginally brought forth the charges of Nionio being a superuser. Without going too in depth, ill give you some of our reaons.
1) He played 60/40, which means he played 60% of the hands he was dealt and raised 40% of the hands he was dealt. This is called someones V$PIP (Voluntary $ Put in Pot). The avg VPIP of a winning 6 max or shorthanded player is about 25/20, maybe even as high as 30/20. 60/40 is a ridiculous amount of hands to be playing especially at $25-50+ against solid players
2) Not only was he playing a crazy 60/40 style, he was absolutely crushing some of the toughest cash games on the net. He was up 60k on me, 40k on arbianight, 30k on gaucho, at least another 30k on captainzeebo etc. So basically he was beating all of the regulars playing this crazy ass style. The most he is down to one person is <8k. And if you look at the hand histories, you wont find it rare at all for him to cold call large 3 and 4 bets before the flop with little to no implied odds, basically because he didnt need them because he knew exactly what he needed to hit and would be able to tell instantly whether his hand was good. He was basically a smarter version of the AP cheater.
3) After taking a total of 604k from NLHE cash games (we only know how much he won from NLHE, he couldve taken a ton more from PLO as well but we dont have any hands or any site that tracks PLO), he mysteriously vanishes from the online poker scene. In fact his last recorded cash game was on 9/4/07. This is RIGHT around the time the AP scandal broke out, literally within the week. And not only did he stop playing, he shut down his account. To shut down your account you would have to go out of your way to email UB and request them to do so. This fact alone was very very fishy in my opinion.
4) A site called www.mypokerintel.com tracks stricly UB cash games. This is where we got most of our info from. They were nice enough to send us a detailed chart of his play along with all 8200 hands they had logged. When looked at further, this is what the one of the founders of MPI said... In short, at limits that matter (MIDstakes and up), getting over 26+BB/100
doesn't seem to happen over the 400M hand sample that we have. Yet,
with the player in question on this thread, the 60+BB/100 was achieved
ALL AT TOP STAKES, over 8,000+ hands, not 3,000.
Keep in mind bb/100 actually means PTbb/100, which is double the big blind. So for $50-100 (which was his main game) he was making on average 12k an hour. This is an absolutely ridiculous winrate and the stat that was just given is just as ridiculous. Over their 400 million hand sample size not one player has won even 1/2 of the amount that Nionio did in his given timeframe (8k hands).
As a sidenote, I was also told by a very well respected high stakes player who has deep connections from the AP scandal that UB superuser accounts DO exist for testing purposes. I cannot out the source of this statement but I can guarantee that he is very trustworthy and reliable.
After looking at all this evidence, not to mention the numerous hand histories and other small nuisances I didnt get to mention, it is quite clear that Nionio was more than just a donk on a ridiculous heater. Our next course of action is going to be trying to pressure UB relentlessly until they give us a full explanation and investigation into this serious matter. Whether it was some rogue employee (my personal belief) or someone who was able to hack the system, we need answers.
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gank
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01-12-2008 5:40 AM
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As I have previously posted, a UB higher up was fired when it was found out that her son was cheating from the UB office. My source was not sure if hole cards were compromised, but said it was a definite possibility. The time frame could coincide with the time frame of the account in question, but I am not 100% sure.
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i dont think he is a superuser, but isaac168 is or was cheating somehow and at the very least a bot.
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**Sigh....
If this is another one of those superaccts, who knows how many more there could have been?
y083
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Ok, so UB found out about a higher up's kid cheating (could well be this Nionio account). And they immediately fired that employee. Good so far.
And then they went into their records and compensated all those affected. Right? ...
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I forgot about that thread you made Gank
This is starting to come together
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Can someone link me to this thread??
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