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Ok to start off, Blueberleez and I are good friends, have talked strategy a lot and know each other's game very well. I honestly dont think Blue is ever 3 bet bluffing here cause hes the type that like to see flops and outplay his opponent(hes a good postflop player imo) like he flats AQ and TT here(maybe JJ sometimes) not wanting to face a gross spot vs my 4 betting tight range. Anyways I tanked for a while and decided to flat since we're both over 50 bbs deep and I didnt think he was light here. ( I still think I shouldve 4 bet jammed but I dont mind my flat pre). Im sure i might get flamed for flatting but I think he shuts down with JJ if ace or king comes, and if he has AK and board comes low I dont think he'll double barrell me too often and I have a good feel for Frank's game. Board comes low I go broke etc. I know that fisheater is a reg and Im pretty sure he's on the aggro side. As played with this crazy action do you just fold the queens here?
Full Tilt Poker Game #16134478289: $18,500 Guarantee (1r+1a) (118498983), Table 9 - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:24:49 ET - 2009/11/19
Seat 1: The Lab Rat (26,196)
Seat 2: The Yid (7,095)
Seat 3: fisheater111 (19,183)
Seat 5: WhySoCereus (9,431)
Seat 6: LuckyRiver1 (4,980)
Seat 7: GridIronJesse (4,199)
Seat 8: BLUEberLEEZ (21,585)
Seat 9: GAS0L N0 CH0P (6,819)
The Lab Rat antes 50
The Yid antes 50
fisheater111 antes 50
WhySoCereus antes 50
LuckyRiver1 antes 50
GridIronJesse antes 50
BLUEberLEEZ antes 50
GAS0L N0 CH0P antes 50
GridIronJesse posts the small blind of 200
BLUEberLEEZ posts the big blind of 400
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Lab Rat [Qc Qs]
GAS0L N0 CH0P has 15 seconds left to act
GAS0L N0 CH0P folds
The Lab Rat raises to 999
The Yid folds
fisheater111 calls 999
WhySoCereus folds
LuckyRiver1 folds
GridIronJesse folds
BLUEberLEEZ has 15 seconds left to act
BLUEberLEEZ raises to 3,200
The Lab Rat has 15 seconds left to act
The Lab Rat has requested TIME
The Lab Rat calls 2,201
fisheater111 has 15 seconds left to act
fisheater111 raises to 8,975
BLUEberLEEZ has 15 seconds left to act
BLUEberLEEZ raises to 21,535, and is all in
The Lab Rat ?????
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Ok to start off, Blueberleez and I are good friends, have talked strategy a lot and know each other's game very well. I honestly dont think Blue is ever 3 bet bluffing here cause hes the type that like to see flops and outplay his opponent(hes a good postflop player imo) like he flats AQ and TT here(maybe JJ sometimes) not wanting to face a gross spot vs my 4 betting tight range. Anyways I tanked for a while and decided to flat since we're both over 50 bbs deep and I didnt think he was light here. ( I still think I shouldve 4 bet jammed but I dont mind my flat pre). Im sure i might get flamed for flatting but I think he shuts down with JJ if ace or king comes, and if he has AK and board comes low I dont think he'll double barrell me too often and I have a good feel for Frank's game. Board comes low I go broke etc. I know that fisheater is a reg and Im pretty sure he's on the aggro side. As played with this crazy action do you just fold the queens here?
Full Tilt Poker Game #16134478289: $18,500 Guarantee (1r+1a) (118498983), Table 9 - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:24:49 ET - 2009/11/19
Seat 1: The Lab Rat (26,196)
Seat 2: The Yid (7,095)
Seat 3: fisheater111 (19,183)
Seat 5: WhySoCereus (9,431)
Seat 6: LuckyRiver1 (4,980)
Seat 7: GridIronJesse (4,199)
Seat 8: BLUEberLEEZ (21,585)
Seat 9: GAS0L N0 CH0P (6,819)
The Lab Rat antes 50
The Yid antes 50
fisheater111 antes 50
WhySoCereus antes 50
LuckyRiver1 antes 50
GridIronJesse antes 50
BLUEberLEEZ antes 50
GAS0L N0 CH0P antes 50
GridIronJesse posts the small blind of 200
BLUEberLEEZ posts the big blind of 400
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Lab Rat [Qc Qs]
GAS0L N0 CH0P has 15 seconds left to act
GAS0L N0 CH0P folds
The Lab Rat raises to 999
The Yid folds
fisheater111 calls 999
WhySoCereus folds
LuckyRiver1 folds
GridIronJesse folds
BLUEberLEEZ has 15 seconds left to act
BLUEberLEEZ raises to 3,200
The Lab Rat has 15 seconds left to act
The Lab Rat has requested TIME
The Lab Rat calls 2,201
fisheater111 has 15 seconds left to act
fisheater111 raises to 8,975
BLUEberLEEZ has 15 seconds left to act
BLUEberLEEZ raises to 21,535, and is all in
The Lab Rat ?????
EDIT: I've put some more thought into this hand and talked it over with some people...and have to admit that this statement is a surprisingly accurate read on me---and if QQ doesn't have equity against a range of JJ+/AK...then Lab is probably right to have folded here---although I think the time to make that decision is after I 3bet. Jam/4b or whatever or fold.
No further comments.
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lol fwiw if im beez against u and fisheaters range here im my range here is QQ+/total air (nothin in b/w)...i can dig a light 3 bet here a ton with stack sizes and ur image lab...u play pretty tight for this to b in insanely profitable spot to 3 bet light...although clearly this wasnt the case in this particular situation but in general i do really dig a flat in that if u 4 bet here ur foldin out all of his air in this spot and only gettin KK+ AK to come along (might as well flat reevaluate flop and get some value out of his air also)....kinda gross spot after fisheater stuffs and beez restuffs but i dnt think im foldin for the sole reason your hand is pretty underrepped and beez can b isoing with JJ/AK more than KK/AA imo...
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I honestly think this is just one of those spots that could go either way. Sometimes you over-think it and fold and realize that from one guys perspective it was a good time to make a meta-game(spazz-donk)squeeze, and from the other opponents perspective it was a good time to call said donk with a lighter range than what you end up tossing away. On the other hand, sometimes you say fuck it and call and will run into one opponent sitting on AA/KK making it completely unimportant (basically) what the other, spazzier opponent is holding. With all the dynamics set as they are though, I can honestly see myself having a tough time making this call pre. Not based on the fact that I don't think QQ is shitting all over Fisheater's range, but more because BLUE's range is JJ+/AK+, but I honestly think his range is much more heavily weighted towards hands that you DO NOT want to be in a 55BB-AIPF spot with. That, and given the fact that with a fold you are still sitting on nearly 60bb's and still a commanding stack at the table, I could see myself folding a painfully large amount of the time here.
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