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dnt know wandigo's image but from here say if the assigned range is AJ+ 88+ dont you think ur gettin better equity by goin up against this range than waitin for a better spot with 11bbs? also is 100% hes r/c here? or is that an assumption b/c hes a reg?

seems to me like gambling in this spot could b more optimal than playin a 11 bb stack utg next hand...

edit: fwiw lately seems like opening 12-15bb stacks > shoving 12-15bb stacks is being done cause it appears hella stronger than straight stuffin these stack sizes guess it all depends on what villians metagame level is at

had a very similiar hand against belabasci tonigth at the $10r FT bubble...thought the same shit about how theres no way hes open foldin with his stack here...

Full Tilt Poker Game #16061425377: $15,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (117784683), Table 65 - 5000/10000 Ante 1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 4:00:15 ET - 2009/11/16
Seat 2: DrewAce34 (292,723)
Seat 4: henryfcnlee (165,668)
Seat 5: Belabacsi (183,614)
Seat 6: TwogirlsoneCup (578,132)
Seat 7: Momo Manuva (149,625)
Seat 9: BobbyPossum (98,032)
DrewAce34 antes 1,000
henryfcnlee antes 1,000
Belabacsi antes 1,000
TwogirlsoneCup antes 1,000
Momo Manuva antes 1,000
BobbyPossum antes 1,000
BobbyPossum posts the small blind of 5,000
DrewAce34 posts the big blind of 10,000
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DrewAce34 [8s 8d]
henryfcnlee folds
grindtherail (Observer): obviously someone will do it for miniftops
Belabacsi has 15 seconds left to act
Belabacsi raises to 22,500
BobbyPossum: well yeah obv
TwogirlsoneCup has 15 seconds left to act
TwogirlsoneCup has timed out
TwogirlsoneCup folds
TwogirlsoneCup is sitting out
Momo Manuva has 15 seconds left to act
Momo Manuva folds
BobbyPossum folds
TwogirlsoneCup has returned
DrewAce34 has 15 seconds left to act

 i shove against belabacsi.

from what ive seen hes too LAG not to

pretty ga spot, but there are some players out there who come to mind where this is as fold.  This is berderline but i have noi problem folding here

 i don´t really know how wandigo is playing since i have never played with em but i wouldn´t assume cause hes a reg that hes r/c 100% of the time.

i guess his opening range is prob a bit wider and since we kinda need to double up and get ourselfe back in buisness i wouldn´t fold.

depends a lil bit when the blinds go up, if they go up within the next 5min then i def would shove..

Deoxyribo:

 i shove against belabacsi.

from what ive seen hes too LAG not to

yeah i think fold here. idk his game though but he's got like 17ish bbs and UTG+1 he either has the same hand or we are beat. Don't think he's r/c w/ AJ here. If he open shoved i feel we pick him off as his range is now weighted to some weaker holdings.

i can't believe how many people are saying fold. 

he never has anything in his range here other than a high pair or big cards? ever?

even if u break it down to where the equity is negligible or a close shove/fold... you're not going to find any more spots like this to achieve the same chip equity.

just fold down to 3 bbs and wait for aces imo

 I always shove here but can see the validity of folding, convince me Pikapp!

CNT_CRUSHER:

 I always shove here but can see the validity of folding, convince me Pikapp!

Drewace34:

dnt know wandigo's image but from here say if the assigned range is AJ+ 88+ dont you think ur gettin better equity by goin up against this range than waitin for a better spot with 11bbs? also is 100% hes r/c here? or is that an assumption b/c hes a reg?

seems to me like gambling in this spot could b more optimal than playin a 11 bb stack utg next hand...

edit: fwiw lately seems like opening 12-15bb stacks > shoving 12-15bb stacks is being done cause it appears hella stronger than straight stuffin these stack sizes guess it all depends on what villians metagame level is at

had a very similiar hand against belabasci tonigth at the $10r FT bubble...thought the same shit about how theres no way hes open foldin with his stack here...

Full Tilt Poker Game #16061425377: $15,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (117784683), Table 65 - 5000/10000 Ante 1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 4:00:15 ET - 2009/11/16
Seat 2: DrewAce34 (292,723)
Seat 4: henryfcnlee (165,668)
Seat 5: Belabacsi (183,614)
Seat 6: TwogirlsoneCup (578,132)
Seat 7: Momo Manuva (149,625)
Seat 9: BobbyPossum (98,032)
DrewAce34 antes 1,000
henryfcnlee antes 1,000
Belabacsi antes 1,000
TwogirlsoneCup antes 1,000
Momo Manuva antes 1,000
BobbyPossum antes 1,000
BobbyPossum posts the small blind of 5,000
DrewAce34 posts the big blind of 10,000
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DrewAce34 [8s 8d]
henryfcnlee folds
grindtherail (Observer): obviously someone will do it for miniftops
Belabacsi has 15 seconds left to act
Belabacsi raises to 22,500
BobbyPossum: well yeah obv
TwogirlsoneCup has 15 seconds left to act
TwogirlsoneCup has timed out
TwogirlsoneCup folds
TwogirlsoneCup is sitting out
Momo Manuva has 15 seconds left to act
Momo Manuva folds
BobbyPossum folds
TwogirlsoneCup has returned
DrewAce34 has 15 seconds left to act

 second hand id ship for sure.  belabsci is alot mroe aggro then wandigo and its just different.  i wound up folding but i can see why pikapp shoves.  hes saying that hed rather be 40% vs a range for a double up with 11bbs then like 60% vs a range for a double up with like 8bbs. 

stevie444:

 Exploitablity has exactly 0 relevance in this specific spot.

 also the open raise with under 20bb range is only a current style issue since everyone is open jamming so much and not raise/folding with under 20, but in reality this proves little against the profitablity of raise/folding under 20bb

darkhawk-200:

in the sense that this is 100 FO and the guys don't think about your range?

Half the guys at the table are regs.

Let's say everyone assigns him the range of 10+aq+ and play accordingly. Thus he can raise/fold any two cards profitably. Thus raising just that range is exploitable. It's just a wide version of he only has AA in this spot.

cotchery89:

half the guys in a 100 fo are regs??? o rly