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From Vanessa Rousso's blog
This guy has major problems.
I get moved to a new table with 12000 in chips. I am there less than 10 hands when I get dealt AJ suited on the button (6 handed tournament by the way). Checks to cutoff short stack player who raises to 600 (100, 200 blinds). I call. Aggressive big stack in the big blind re raises to 2000 (this is an important note…this player did this several times before in only the last ten hands, either he was being hit with the deck or he was steamrolling with his 25K+ stack when average stack was only 6K or so, so he can’t be given too much credit). Small stack pushes all in for 2150 (which means if I call the big blind big stack can’t re-raise because 150 is not considered an actual raise). I make an aggressive call of 1550 more because I was getting more than 3:1 on my money, we were shorthanded so AJ is stronger than in ring games, and I still have a healthy 10K (almost double average) stack even if I lose. Flop comes A A 2 rainbow. Big stack checks and I check. 10 comes on the turn putting up a flush draw. Big stack checks and I bet 2K with my trip aces. Big stack insta-pushes all in for my remaining 8K. This was a very difficult decision. I didn’t think he would push so fast without thinking first with an Ace (it wasn't like he tought about how to get the most out of me which is what a player with trips would do in that scenario)…then I remembered something he said after I called the 2150 pre-flop. He asked the dealer if he could re-raise. The way he said it, he didn’t seem to be happy about a 3-way pot. This made me feel confident he possessed a big pair. He couldn’t have aces since I had an ace. So that left KK, QQ, JJ, and Tens. I thought that he was aggressive enough to put this kind of move on with KK since the pot was so big and given his past play. But eventually I settled on the fact that he had Tens, he hit the two-outer on the turn and realized I must have trip aces and thought he could easily get my whole stack right there with a push all in.
That left me with one more thing to think about before I settled on a fold. Was I getting the pot odds to call even if I was behind? I had one ace in the deck, three jacks, and three twos to help me…that is 7 outs…but with only one card to come that is about 14% so I need to get more than 6:1 to make the call. I would only be getting about half that, so folding was the right play. At this point seat one (another player not in the hand) calls time and I am forced to make a decision. All in all I took maybe 4 minutes to make what was one of the toughest lay downs I have had to make in a while. I muck the Ace and show it, and the big stack says good read and shows the pocket tens. I was really happy to have made the correct decision, so when the big stack apologized for sucking out I smiled and said “that’s poker, nice hand.” Then I turned to the table generally and said, “Hey guys sorry that took so long, I hate to do that but it was for my tournament life and as you can see it was a really tough lay down.”
I wish that was the end of the story. As the dealer is dealing the next hand, someone I have never before seen or heard of in seat five (who wasn’t even in the hand) says in my general direction, “You are awful.” I turned to him and said, “Excuse me, what did you just say?” He looked me square in the eye and said, “You are awful, you played the whole hand like an idiot, you let him get there.” I just lost half my stack and this random guy is seriously going to needle me??!?!? Are you kidding me, is he for real? I say to him, “I’m sorry…am I confused? Did you buy me in? Because I could have sworn I bought myself in to this tournament. So I will tell you what: when you are the one ponying up 2500$ for me, then I will play like you think I should. But as long as I’m paying my own buyins, I am going to play the way I see fit.” It should have ended right there.
He looks me straight in the eye again and says, “You are pathetic.” I turn away and say, “You know what? You aren’t even worth it, I’m ignoring you from here on out.” He still will not quit. He says, “Not worth what, Idiot?” I ignore him and he calls me “pathetic” yet again, mumbling other comments in between half-smirks for the next ten minutes. He really, really, really went too far. In the end, I did not even give him the time of day for the next 30 minutes until I was eliminated.
I later found out that the guy was Aaron Been. I read Aaron’s twoplustwo post where he says I called the big stack an idiot with kings. He is a liar—and that doesn’t even make any sense, why would I (or anyone) have said that when the guy had TENS!!!! Moreover, I, unlike others, do not need to stoop to name calling at the table to try to get an edge. The big stack and I got along very well and when I was later eliminated he again apologized for always seeming to have the best of it when I picked up good hands too…I wished him and the others luck and left.
This was truly the most bizarre and confusing random act of anger I have ever seen. I mean I have never even spoken to this kid before! Clearly Aaron was steaming (he had a short stack) for reasons unbeknownst to me and he just decided to lose his **** for his own messed up reasons. Get some help buddy.
When Chad and I randomly ran into Aaron a few hours later in the hall of the Rio, Chad asked Aaron if he had a problem with me he wanted to address. Aaron didn’t deny a thing when Chad verified he had acted the way I had recounted. So Chad asked him to apologize and Aaron stood there in silence—not that I would think he would have the class to be a man and apologize for such blatantly indefensible rudeness. Chad stuck up for me the way I would hope any guy would stick up for their girlfriend when they are blatantly and FOR NO REAON (on the heels of an apology to the table for taking extra time no less!!) disrespected and essentially abused at the poker table.
I must have made a really easy target for Aaron. What a tough guy…he can pick on a 24 year old girl at a poker table when she has no recourse whatsoever but to ignore him…he must have felt really tough!!!
And as far as Aaron’s evaluation of my play: I might respect his opinion a little more if he actually had any results.
I play poker for a living. I am sorry that people have such disrespect for the game and for other humans in general that they can act how Aaron did. In my opinion, he degrades poker and himself when he acts like that. He was unsportsmanlike, rude, abusive, inappropriate, and genuinely seemed to enjoy his attempt to hurt me. I hate to break it to you Aaron, but the only thing ‘pathetic’ at that table, was you.
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yeah...got to page 2 and then threw up on myself. that 2+2 layout SUCKS. cliffnotes? i didn't see anything new. just more rumors.
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Yeah, the layout is horrible.
Cliffnotes:
Rousso posted in that thread whats posted here, as well as a couple shorter posts bragging about one 5k event win.(Then she got flamed)
Aaron posted a few things as well.
The shortstack guy involved in the hand posted claiming Rousso is a clown.
Jordan Morgan as well as a few others said the story wasnt accurate.
A sweeeeeeeet photoshop in the middle somewhere(truly a must see)
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AB responds by changing the story around to make himself look like he did nothing wrong. I just am wondering why if it happened exactly like AB states it happened then 1) why would VR write about it and 2) why in the world would she then tell her bf and confron AB after the touney was over?
It just doenst make any sense for her to make up a story like this....am I wrong?
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Because she was told how badly she played and was on massive tilt. She can dish it out but cant take it. She tilted the rest of her stack away within 10 hands after this incident.
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I think this is all pretty funny...the only thing id like to add is that Vanessa is better then a 6 outside of the poker world. Ur telling me that you think shes borderline/slightly more attractive then the average female?? gtfo plz most girls are way worse looking then her. Shes in the 7.2-7.7 range, Id say.
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I dont think she is very attractive. The gonzo thing was the shit.
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All I can say is that this should def. be a plus ev cartoon by tomorrow.
Also, I don't know what happened since I wasn't there, but I think having your boyfriend confront someone over table conversation from a poker game is beyond ridiculous.
Further, I am so tired of so many players stating that so and so is terrible at poker. I am not referring to the Aaron vs. Vanessa incident, I am referring to this forum. Quit calling other players terrible, all it makes you do is look silly and immature, or at the very least a hidden brag post as in "I am not terrible and you are".
TY,
Chris.
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While I'm not going to say I'm on the side of Aaron's over the top berating of Vanessa Rousso I can say that I've seen her berate other players at a table before and conduct herself with horrible etiquette. The Liz Liu example is just a small sample.
All that aside I wouldn't have minded being a witness to the whole verbal attack. She has been so quick to put others down in the past that maybe that is why Aaron was attacking her. I don't know Aaron and have no idea.
As far as what she looks like, who care's?
Laying down her hand in this case was a real tough laydown and she did a great job with it. Won't take that away from her or anyone else that they made a great read and laydown.
That being said she still has a long way to go in proving she deserves to be treated with respect by the way she has acted so many times towards others.
In this case since her own personal undesirable behavior at the poker tables is a know factor. I believe she would be best off just letting go and consider he own actions in the future!
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This thread has aids...
come on people go outside
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brsavage,
you are terrible at poker.
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Chris,
Well said. but can we still call ourselves terrible? :)
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Anyone who has paid an entry fee to a tourny, regardless of the source of the entry - deserves to be treated with respect at the tables, whether they are good, bad, great, or horrible poker players is completely irrelevant. If they contributed to the prize pool, they deserve respect. The people who talk shit, call people out, berate others and all this other BS is totally classless. People can say its strategy etc to get into people's head and everyone is entitled to play how they want but I think anytime people berate others for how they played they are usually compensating for some of their own insecurities.... I have been guilty of talking shit myself and I try not to but when I do and I realize it and cool down, I will admit I was wrong and apologize.
Really if your not in a hand do you really have the right to critique someone else's play? Not specific to this situation but as an example: has anyone here ever made a bad read? I try to trust my reads and go with them, I consider my ability to read and trust my read a strength but there have been SOOO many times my read was wrong... if someone were to critique my play when they see me play a hand on a bad read, they could correctly say I was the worst player they have ever seen. They could tell me how bad I played it etc etc.... do they have the right? I don't thnk so but human nature is human nature. I can deal with people doing it but it is not right and it wreaks of insecurity when people do it.
Now what happens when my read is right, for example: a re-re-resteal with 62 off from the SB.... do I have to now announce my play to the idiot who critiques everyone else to gain his approval? I mean who the fck do people think they are that they should sit there in judgment of how everyone plays?
What is the answer when most people ask "what should I have done here?".... 9 times out of 10 the answer is IT DEPENDS. Take many specific hand situations and ask 3 pros how to play it, you might get 3 different answers. If playing by the book was ALWAYS right, then no one should ever lose or get their money in bad. I am no where near as good a poker player as some people on this site but I don't need people to tell me that, I already know it - I am not insecure about my ability or weaknesses, I am working on my game. Anyone who wants to tell me how bad I played a hand that they weren't in is a jackass, they have no idea my thought process or what goes into specific reads and hands.... again I am not speaking directly to the Rousso incident but to people who do this at the table in general, and i speak in the first person not because of anything specific but simply as an example. We ALL have been at a table where some jackass feels the need to "educate" everyone else at the table to how poorly they play - and Phil Hellmuth has set a horrible example with his bitching on ESPN televised tables.... would Doyle Brunson ever berate a player like that? Hell no, bad players have made him a millionare. If he told every bad player what they did wrong or how bad they were - they would either go get better and then play him or never play him again, both of those scenarios are not nearly as + EV as just accepting the fact that a bad player is a bad player, show them respect and keep them coming back.
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YourTimeIsUp,
you are terrible at life. |
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