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From Vanessa Rousso's blog
This guy has major problems.
I get moved to a new table with 12000 in chips. I am there less than 10 hands when I get dealt AJ suited on the button (6 handed tournament by the way). Checks to cutoff short stack player who raises to 600 (100, 200 blinds). I call. Aggressive big stack in the big blind re raises to 2000 (this is an important note…this player did this several times before in only the last ten hands, either he was being hit with the deck or he was steamrolling with his 25K+ stack when average stack was only 6K or so, so he can’t be given too much credit). Small stack pushes all in for 2150 (which means if I call the big blind big stack can’t re-raise because 150 is not considered an actual raise). I make an aggressive call of 1550 more because I was getting more than 3:1 on my money, we were shorthanded so AJ is stronger than in ring games, and I still have a healthy 10K (almost double average) stack even if I lose. Flop comes A A 2 rainbow. Big stack checks and I check. 10 comes on the turn putting up a flush draw. Big stack checks and I bet 2K with my trip aces. Big stack insta-pushes all in for my remaining 8K. This was a very difficult decision. I didn’t think he would push so fast without thinking first with an Ace (it wasn't like he tought about how to get the most out of me which is what a player with trips would do in that scenario)…then I remembered something he said after I called the 2150 pre-flop. He asked the dealer if he could re-raise. The way he said it, he didn’t seem to be happy about a 3-way pot. This made me feel confident he possessed a big pair. He couldn’t have aces since I had an ace. So that left KK, QQ, JJ, and Tens. I thought that he was aggressive enough to put this kind of move on with KK since the pot was so big and given his past play. But eventually I settled on the fact that he had Tens, he hit the two-outer on the turn and realized I must have trip aces and thought he could easily get my whole stack right there with a push all in.
That left me with one more thing to think about before I settled on a fold. Was I getting the pot odds to call even if I was behind? I had one ace in the deck, three jacks, and three twos to help me…that is 7 outs…but with only one card to come that is about 14% so I need to get more than 6:1 to make the call. I would only be getting about half that, so folding was the right play. At this point seat one (another player not in the hand) calls time and I am forced to make a decision. All in all I took maybe 4 minutes to make what was one of the toughest lay downs I have had to make in a while. I muck the Ace and show it, and the big stack says good read and shows the pocket tens. I was really happy to have made the correct decision, so when the big stack apologized for sucking out I smiled and said “that’s poker, nice hand.” Then I turned to the table generally and said, “Hey guys sorry that took so long, I hate to do that but it was for my tournament life and as you can see it was a really tough lay down.”
I wish that was the end of the story. As the dealer is dealing the next hand, someone I have never before seen or heard of in seat five (who wasn’t even in the hand) says in my general direction, “You are awful.” I turned to him and said, “Excuse me, what did you just say?” He looked me square in the eye and said, “You are awful, you played the whole hand like an idiot, you let him get there.” I just lost half my stack and this random guy is seriously going to needle me??!?!? Are you kidding me, is he for real? I say to him, “I’m sorry…am I confused? Did you buy me in? Because I could have sworn I bought myself in to this tournament. So I will tell you what: when you are the one ponying up 2500$ for me, then I will play like you think I should. But as long as I’m paying my own buyins, I am going to play the way I see fit.” It should have ended right there.
He looks me straight in the eye again and says, “You are pathetic.” I turn away and say, “You know what? You aren’t even worth it, I’m ignoring you from here on out.” He still will not quit. He says, “Not worth what, Idiot?” I ignore him and he calls me “pathetic” yet again, mumbling other comments in between half-smirks for the next ten minutes. He really, really, really went too far. In the end, I did not even give him the time of day for the next 30 minutes until I was eliminated.
I later found out that the guy was Aaron Been. I read Aaron’s twoplustwo post where he says I called the big stack an idiot with kings. He is a liar—and that doesn’t even make any sense, why would I (or anyone) have said that when the guy had TENS!!!! Moreover, I, unlike others, do not need to stoop to name calling at the table to try to get an edge. The big stack and I got along very well and when I was later eliminated he again apologized for always seeming to have the best of it when I picked up good hands too…I wished him and the others luck and left.
This was truly the most bizarre and confusing random act of anger I have ever seen. I mean I have never even spoken to this kid before! Clearly Aaron was steaming (he had a short stack) for reasons unbeknownst to me and he just decided to lose his **** for his own messed up reasons. Get some help buddy.
When Chad and I randomly ran into Aaron a few hours later in the hall of the Rio, Chad asked Aaron if he had a problem with me he wanted to address. Aaron didn’t deny a thing when Chad verified he had acted the way I had recounted. So Chad asked him to apologize and Aaron stood there in silence—not that I would think he would have the class to be a man and apologize for such blatantly indefensible rudeness. Chad stuck up for me the way I would hope any guy would stick up for their girlfriend when they are blatantly and FOR NO REAON (on the heels of an apology to the table for taking extra time no less!!) disrespected and essentially abused at the poker table.
I must have made a really easy target for Aaron. What a tough guy…he can pick on a 24 year old girl at a poker table when she has no recourse whatsoever but to ignore him…he must have felt really tough!!!
And as far as Aaron’s evaluation of my play: I might respect his opinion a little more if he actually had any results.
I play poker for a living. I am sorry that people have such disrespect for the game and for other humans in general that they can act how Aaron did. In my opinion, he degrades poker and himself when he acts like that. He was unsportsmanlike, rude, abusive, inappropriate, and genuinely seemed to enjoy his attempt to hurt me. I hate to break it to you Aaron, but the only thing ‘pathetic’ at that table, was you.
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BigGunX
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06-19-2007 10:32 AM
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ltquick, do you know all the details of Vanessa Rousso's backing arrangements?
I'd say that you most likely don't, so why act like you do?
Agreed with your #2, except since when do we refer to a woman as a "little bitch?"
I'm amazed at the complete lack of class displayed by the socially retarded young poker players,
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1. Vanessa sucks badly and pretty much YTIU is right about the whole penis thing
2. AB has sick results way better than anything vanessa russo does
3. Chad Brown is a dbag and i hope AB raelly didnt get punked like that
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BigGunX
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06-19-2007 10:40 AM
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1) She has 750k in career live winnings in about 2 years of play. Bottom line. Yes, YTIU is right about the penis thing, but I'd be surprised if YTIU has ever seen a vagina to be able to judge.
2) Maybe.
3) Wouldn't surprise me.
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BGX,
You're right. It was wrong of me to call her a little bitch. I've heard/read too many stories about Rousso's lack of class at the table, including slow-rolling people, calling people names etc., so maybe deep down I was happy that she got a taste of her own medicine a little bit from Aaron Been. That said, I don't think name calling in my part is justified.
As for Stars backing Rousso, true, I'm not 100% percent sure that that is the case, but I think it's a pretty safe assumption on my part that members of Team Pokerstars are sponsored in WSOP tournaments by Stars. Even Joe Hachem's brother had all his buy-ins paid by Stars last year at the WSOP.
I guess what I'm trying to say is let's not automatically criticize Aaron Been's behavior based solely on Rousso's post because it is entirely possible that there may have been provocation on Vanessa's part. And, as some people insinuated, the fact that she is a female shouldn't make her immune to criticism at the table, especially if she is the one who initiated the whole ordeal.
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Vanessa is well known for berating players at the table when she plays. Although I feel what was claimed to have been said by both sides falls somewhere in the middle. I do find it funny that she couldnt take being berated herself.
Can someone teach me how to make an "aggressive" call?
EDIT: I now know what an aggressive call is...
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An aggressive call is when you call a pizza restaurant and scream "Deliver me a fucking Pepperoni Pizza CockBreath" Thats aggressive. |
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BigGunX
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06-19-2007 10:47 AM
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ltquick,
I'm not judging AaronBeen's actions...I know she can dish it out, too. I've played with her a few times.
It's one thing to trash talk at the table though and it's something else to really berate someone and attack them personally. I wasn't referring to AaronBeen's comments. I was more referring to YTIU and also referring to a woman as a "little bitch."
It's just the general lack of class at the tables that blows my mind.
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Adam
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06-19-2007 10:50 AM
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I guess what I don't get is....who cares if she plays badly or not? I just don't see what the big deal is. Her making money off poker doesn't hurt Aaron, YTIU, or anyone else. It actually helps all of you, because people like her (attractive females that play tournaments) draw more new players to the game. I have no idea if she's a good player or not, and I don't care. She makes all of us money.
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AFink93
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06-19-2007 10:51 AM
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Who the hell cares about either one of these players anyway.
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chad got in his face like a roided up neanderthal while aaron just stood there with a dumb smirk on his face while i was laughing hysterically 2 feet away. chad kept calling him a "pussy" and kept puffing up his chest more and more as he got closer to aaron's face.
the most ridiculous part was chad demanding that a harrah's floor person who stepped in make aaron apologize or else have him removed from the property. after that line, aaron just said "we're leaving" and we walked off to my car.
As typed, by Steven O'Dwyer
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^^ That is something Im hoping Ill learn too before this thread is done with..
Btw seems she edited her post a bit, originally she had posted that Aaron didnt even have 5% the results she has, seems she caught quite a bit of flack for it so she changed wordings a bit...
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Logistically, a Rusty trombone would be nearly impossible at a 9-handed table. Clearly, an Angry pirate would be a much better read in this situation.
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Adam,
Logic clearly has no place in this conversation. You should know that anytime YTIU is involved. Please keep your common sense, logic, and wisdom to yourself. :):):)
W2D
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Adam,
If Rousso initiated the trash-talking and berating, shouldn't Aaron Been have the right to dish it back a little? Also, you choose to be critical of those who criticize Rousso when she is the one who 1) ran to her boyfriend for her boyfriend to confront Aaron and 2) wrote about this episode on her blog. I mean you're just so selective in the way you pick and choose the facts here, it's mind-boggling.
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Kids with giant egos. What else is new.
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