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From Vanessa Rousso's blog
This guy has major problems.
I get moved to a new table with 12000 in chips. I am there less than 10 hands when I get dealt AJ suited on the button (6 handed tournament by the way). Checks to cutoff short stack player who raises to 600 (100, 200 blinds). I call. Aggressive big stack in the big blind re raises to 2000 (this is an important note…this player did this several times before in only the last ten hands, either he was being hit with the deck or he was steamrolling with his 25K+ stack when average stack was only 6K or so, so he can’t be given too much credit). Small stack pushes all in for 2150 (which means if I call the big blind big stack can’t re-raise because 150 is not considered an actual raise). I make an aggressive call of 1550 more because I was getting more than 3:1 on my money, we were shorthanded so AJ is stronger than in ring games, and I still have a healthy 10K (almost double average) stack even if I lose. Flop comes A A 2 rainbow. Big stack checks and I check. 10 comes on the turn putting up a flush draw. Big stack checks and I bet 2K with my trip aces. Big stack insta-pushes all in for my remaining 8K. This was a very difficult decision. I didn’t think he would push so fast without thinking first with an Ace (it wasn't like he tought about how to get the most out of me which is what a player with trips would do in that scenario)…then I remembered something he said after I called the 2150 pre-flop. He asked the dealer if he could re-raise. The way he said it, he didn’t seem to be happy about a 3-way pot. This made me feel confident he possessed a big pair. He couldn’t have aces since I had an ace. So that left KK, QQ, JJ, and Tens. I thought that he was aggressive enough to put this kind of move on with KK since the pot was so big and given his past play. But eventually I settled on the fact that he had Tens, he hit the two-outer on the turn and realized I must have trip aces and thought he could easily get my whole stack right there with a push all in.
That left me with one more thing to think about before I settled on a fold. Was I getting the pot odds to call even if I was behind? I had one ace in the deck, three jacks, and three twos to help me…that is 7 outs…but with only one card to come that is about 14% so I need to get more than 6:1 to make the call. I would only be getting about half that, so folding was the right play. At this point seat one (another player not in the hand) calls time and I am forced to make a decision. All in all I took maybe 4 minutes to make what was one of the toughest lay downs I have had to make in a while. I muck the Ace and show it, and the big stack says good read and shows the pocket tens. I was really happy to have made the correct decision, so when the big stack apologized for sucking out I smiled and said “that’s poker, nice hand.” Then I turned to the table generally and said, “Hey guys sorry that took so long, I hate to do that but it was for my tournament life and as you can see it was a really tough lay down.”
I wish that was the end of the story. As the dealer is dealing the next hand, someone I have never before seen or heard of in seat five (who wasn’t even in the hand) says in my general direction, “You are awful.” I turned to him and said, “Excuse me, what did you just say?” He looked me square in the eye and said, “You are awful, you played the whole hand like an idiot, you let him get there.” I just lost half my stack and this random guy is seriously going to needle me??!?!? Are you kidding me, is he for real? I say to him, “I’m sorry…am I confused? Did you buy me in? Because I could have sworn I bought myself in to this tournament. So I will tell you what: when you are the one ponying up 2500$ for me, then I will play like you think I should. But as long as I’m paying my own buyins, I am going to play the way I see fit.” It should have ended right there.
He looks me straight in the eye again and says, “You are pathetic.” I turn away and say, “You know what? You aren’t even worth it, I’m ignoring you from here on out.” He still will not quit. He says, “Not worth what, Idiot?” I ignore him and he calls me “pathetic” yet again, mumbling other comments in between half-smirks for the next ten minutes. He really, really, really went too far. In the end, I did not even give him the time of day for the next 30 minutes until I was eliminated.
I later found out that the guy was Aaron Been. I read Aaron’s twoplustwo post where he says I called the big stack an idiot with kings. He is a liar—and that doesn’t even make any sense, why would I (or anyone) have said that when the guy had TENS!!!! Moreover, I, unlike others, do not need to stoop to name calling at the table to try to get an edge. The big stack and I got along very well and when I was later eliminated he again apologized for always seeming to have the best of it when I picked up good hands too…I wished him and the others luck and left.
This was truly the most bizarre and confusing random act of anger I have ever seen. I mean I have never even spoken to this kid before! Clearly Aaron was steaming (he had a short stack) for reasons unbeknownst to me and he just decided to lose his **** for his own messed up reasons. Get some help buddy.
When Chad and I randomly ran into Aaron a few hours later in the hall of the Rio, Chad asked Aaron if he had a problem with me he wanted to address. Aaron didn’t deny a thing when Chad verified he had acted the way I had recounted. So Chad asked him to apologize and Aaron stood there in silence—not that I would think he would have the class to be a man and apologize for such blatantly indefensible rudeness. Chad stuck up for me the way I would hope any guy would stick up for their girlfriend when they are blatantly and FOR NO REAON (on the heels of an apology to the table for taking extra time no less!!) disrespected and essentially abused at the poker table.
I must have made a really easy target for Aaron. What a tough guy…he can pick on a 24 year old girl at a poker table when she has no recourse whatsoever but to ignore him…he must have felt really tough!!!
And as far as Aaron’s evaluation of my play: I might respect his opinion a little more if he actually had any results.
I play poker for a living. I am sorry that people have such disrespect for the game and for other humans in general that they can act how Aaron did. In my opinion, he degrades poker and himself when he acts like that. He was unsportsmanlike, rude, abusive, inappropriate, and genuinely seemed to enjoy his attempt to hurt me. I hate to break it to you Aaron, but the only thing ‘pathetic’ at that table, was you.
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this entire thread is 'pathetic' for about 12 million reasons.
people are hilarious.
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lol if that's really her, then I have to agree with YTIU for once, about the 6 comment
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Lol this is funny.
There are a few facts, that are undebatable and shouldn't be discussed.
1) Vanessa is not very good at poker (at least compared to most standards) - and Aaron Been is infinitely better than her
2) Every word YTIU said is correct (for the most part). She is a 6 in the real world, definitely looks like gonzo, and it is kind of pathetic how well known she is in the poker world.
I also don't why anything about YTIU's personal life is brought up at all. I think the YTIU attractiveness posts are so ridiculously excessive, but not only that, how on earth does it give him any less right to judge the attractiveness of anyone? I'm pretty sure his vision isn't impaired... at least I don't think so. He sees the same 6 in Vanessa that we all do.
If anything you guys insulting him should be embarrassed for judging the attractiveness of an 18 year old guy, then finding the need to bring it up in a public forum.
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You're right. YTIU's continued dedication to goodwill and class has earned him a "waiver" from any personal insults. I, for one, truly apologize. We obviously picked on someone that didn't deserve it.
gfy
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SC,
Like, dont you know that like...ummm. vanessa is good at poker.
She umm, like dates a poker star that like, umm taught her how to bluff and make sick reads
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im not saying shes ugly, she just reminds me of gonzo. my wife is not a model but definitely looks better than vanessa. However, I would say vanessa is well within my standards as most females who arent fat are. (I have low standards). As standards decrease, volume increases> ive always been a quantity over quality type person though.
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1st post in this thread hurling personal insults. Good read, SC. You keep backing your horses........
"...Aaron should have said she was a stupid poker slut that is only recognized because she is a moderately attractive woman in a poker world full of ugly old men. If she had a penis, and not a vagina, nobody would even know her name. Then he should have said she was at best a '6', and that she is a worthless piece of trash..." - YTIU
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im curious to know how much she is actually up in poker. if she has only 750k total in cashes over 2 years.. especially if she is playing any mid-high stakes NL cash games.. i cant imagine she would be up more than 300k or so, as she has prob played a buncha tourneys and paid a ton in buyins. i guess that anyone in the poker world would stake her for anything she wanted to play, so that prob contributed to the profits, as she cant really have a downswing.. i dno, just something i was thinking about the other day while she was at the table.
i dont really know much about vanessa, i mean she seems like a nice person, but def has a big head cuz shes a 'famous babe of poker'. i wouldnt go off calling her a huge bitch or whatever, but she does seem to elicit lots of controversy one way or another. she made sure to mention at like 3 points that she had 750k in cashes to the whole table whenever shed lose a pot, that kinda stuff bothers me a lot, but i dno if id go off on her at the table. yeh, im just rambling, lotta haters, lotta supporters, im in the middle as always.
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" stupid poker slut "????
"2) Every word YTIU said is 100% correct."?????
SC, get real! YTIU has a horrible reputation for crude, abusive language! I can't believe you agree with his calling her that. Unless you know for a fact that she is a slut, how can you agree? AND...even if you know it, THAT'S disgusting to put on a poker forum.
I'm assuming that all the men who call her a "6" are at least a "9"! yeah, right!
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Vanessa's attractiveness has relevance in this subject, YTIU's does not. While most of the time YTIU's comments are extremely harsh/rude/whatever, the content of them is always really valuable. I guess I look beyond the word for word insults of YTIU and rather look for the whole message.
I think all he was trying to say was that Vanessa has a cocky feeling of superiority over the other players due to her "status" in the poker community. Clearly this status was not obtained because of her poker abilities, but rather because she is fairly attractive (by poker player standards). But, in the "real world", she is average, nothing special, and that she really is in no place to hold herself any higher than the other players at the table.
Aaron Been on the other hand is dead sexy, and an all-star poker player, so he should be allowed to say anything / do anything, obv.
EDIT: And yes, I will continue to support YTIU, not because I appreciate his raw demeaning insults, but because I understand how intelligent the kid is. With different people you need to see different things in what they say, and I don't really know how to explain it but YTIU says a shitload of really intelligent, thoughtful things, that are overshadowed by his rude comments that you guys can't get past.
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Helen, I apologize, he isn't 100% correct. The individual word choice / insults can be excessive, but his overall message/thought process on the subject is correct.
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lol fife nice job nice job. loved the as typed by MTC
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BeatUp
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06-19-2007 1:26 PM
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Hey man, I can fling shit with the best of the monkeys. If YTIU can dish it out he can sit there and get hit with it too. The kid obviously hates himself and his life and comes here to get his jollies by trying to make other people feel as miserable as he does. If you insult everyone while touting yourself as some sort of genius you leave yourself open to that kind of thing. As far as I'm concerned, nothing is off limits with someone like that.
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