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blinds 100-200 button 4340, sb 10,800, bb 13,000
no real reads as i haven't been on table for more than an orbit, about 400 runners still over 300 left, 18 WSOP seats awarded
Folded me on the button with QQ stack of 4340.
i raise to 600
sb calls
bb folds
FLOP: KJ7 rainbow
sb checks
i check
TURN K (board KJ7K rainbow)
sb checks
i bet 800
sb raises to 1800
me?......
been some debate on what is the best play here, would like input to settle debate and possible wager. please answer with a fold, call, or shove and go on to explain if you wish. ty.
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c-bet flop obv
since you didn't
fold. you played the hand bad and really have no idea where you're at. why risk more chips.
your only options are to shove or fold the turn here. if you flat it leaves you with less than 50% of your stack and a difficult decision on the river when he pushes.
i'm guessing you shoved and he rolls over AJ and nails A on river?... maybe he nailed another J.
EDIT: apparently everyone is saying not to cbet that flop however I 100% do, prob the same 800ish bet.... sure i might be giving them away but if i check behind and lets say a K hits... then what do i do. oh wait.
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Only possible reason to bet flop here is if he's folding some Ks (obv not) or calling with some Js or draws(more plausible).
This shallow im checking back flop and also betting turn. When raised it becomes a tough spot. There's 0 point to shoving though unless we think he stacks off w a J or draw here.
Either fold or flat and then call river bet.
Choice is gonna be down to how you've seen him play strong made hands, bluffs and draws.
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Zota15
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06-22-2009 5:14 PM
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Yes you should always bet flop with a way ahead way behind hand that has tons of value yet has trouble getting value from worse. WTF please stop giving horrid advice everyone in this forum. I check back the turn as well for the same reason as checking the flop. Then call river or value bet myself.
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Yes you should always bet flop with a way ahead way behind hand that has tons of value yet has trouble getting value from worse.
^^ yeah ^^
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Some interesting responses. I actually wish I had played the hand differently because of what one person said in this thread.
Could use more clear responses as to how to proceed as played ie. fold, call or shove
Interesting plot-twisting(maybe) results to follow once the bet is finalized
appst-you never said how you would proceed as played (i know you are 100% betting flop) you can still count as a vote
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| paidchex: | |
Some interesting responses. I actually wish I had played the hand differently because of what one person said in this thread.
Could use more clear responses as to how to proceed as played ie. fold, call or shove
Interesting plot-twisting(maybe) results to follow once the bet is finalized
appst-you never said how you would proceed as played (i know you are 100% betting flop) you can still count as a vote
as played i check behind on turn and call river bet or value river.
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Just to confirm my vote is for calling turn raise and all rivers.
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in this spot I would unfortunately fold.
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| Zota15: | |
Yes you should always bet flop with a way ahead way behind hand that has tons of value yet has trouble getting value from worse. WTF please stop giving horrid advice everyone in this forum. I check back the turn as well for the same reason as checking the flop. Then call river or value bet myself.
this
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| Appst08: | |
| paidchex: | |
Some interesting responses. I actually wish I had played the hand differently because of what one person said in this thread.
Could use more clear responses as to how to proceed as played ie. fold, call or shove
Interesting plot-twisting(maybe) results to follow once the bet is finalized
appst-you never said how you would proceed as played (i know you are 100% betting flop) you can still count as a vote
as played i check behind on turn and call river bet or value river.
we've already been check raised, so....
fold, call, or raise
one of us really wants your vote to be counted
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| Appst08: | |
| paidchex: | |
Some interesting responses. I actually wish I had played the hand differently because of what one person said in this thread.
Could use more clear responses as to how to proceed as played ie. fold, call or shove
Interesting plot-twisting(maybe) results to follow once the bet is finalized
appst-you never said how you would proceed as played (i know you are 100% betting flop) you can still count as a vote
as played i check behind on turn and call river bet or value river.
we've already been check raised, so.... fold, call, or raise one of us really wants your vote to be counted
i fold then, your not beating much if this guy is decent and knows he is committed
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telks
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06-22-2009 8:47 PM
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| Appst08: | |
| paidchex: | |
Some interesting responses. I actually wish I had played the hand differently because of what one person said in this thread.
Could use more clear responses as to how to proceed as played ie. fold, call or shove
Interesting plot-twisting(maybe) results to follow once the bet is finalized
appst-you never said how you would proceed as played (i know you are 100% betting flop) you can still count as a vote
as played i check behind on turn and call river bet or value river.
OMG THIS. i think both options are fine. most of the time i do actually check behind here myself, but WHY ARE YOU BETTING THE TURN. ughh the reason to not bet the flop is the same on the turn. sigh. sorry that bet on the turn just really tilts me
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| mahgnislaw: | |
with 300 runners left paying 18 I'm shoving
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blinds 100-200 button 4340, sb 10,800, bb 13,000
no real reads as i haven't been on table for more than an orbit, about 400 runners still over 300 left, 18 WSOP seats awarded
Folded me on the button with QQ stack of 4340.
i raise to 600
sb calls
bb folds
FLOP: KJ7 rainbow
sb checks
i check
TURN K (board KJ7K rainbow)
sb checks
i bet 800
sb raises to 1800
me?......
been some debate on what is the best play here, would like input to settle debate and possible wager. please answer with a fold, call, or shove and go on to explain if you wish. ty.
W/O reads I fold. His raise sizing makes me wonder what we can beat here. Such a small raise is usually done for value and wants to be shoved over. Meh... kinda tough spot.
such a small raise is because of his stack size
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