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Some big breaking news regarding UB...
N 82 50 24 (Cayman Islands) 5,563 Posts. Joined 06-12-2005.
07-13-2008 12:12 AM

This is a x-post from 2p2.

OMG wow...

http://sandgate.co.clark.nv.us/servl...el=13819810002

The address is 1725 Glenview Dr.

138-19-810-002 HAMILTON RUSSELL & CAROLYN *20060523:03704 05/23/2006 JOINT TENANCY 200 SUBDIVIDED LOT

Okay people, the address on three of the accounts is owned by Russ and Carolyn Hamilton.

Any questions?

FWIW, this was the info given out by a UB whistleblower (not brainwash, as far as I know):

Customer ID: Token ID: Username: Status: Creation Date: Update Date: 227061 Sleeplesss Active 2003-09-16 16:33:01 2007-09-05 13:12:49 Name: Lauren B Makar Address 1: 1725 Glenview Dr. Address 2: Address 3: Address 4: City, State, Postal Code Las Vegas, NEVADA 89134 Country UNITED STATES Customer Phone: 702326xxxx Customer Birthdate: 1967-xx-xx Email Information: Address: atease@vegasinbox.com

I got rid of some information like the birthdate and phone number to protect whoever Lauren Makar is.

---

Basically, the address of one of the cheating accounts is Russ Hamilton's address.

This is the big thread, maybe someone else can summarize: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthread.php?t=237495

 
 
 

K1d_Gr1nD (United States) 1,038 Posts. Joined 03-18-2007.
07-13-2008 10:13 AM - In reply to

im guessing annie is still looking at the screen with her mouth open..."now wtf am i gonna say?"...i think UB has the potential to be a great site, but at this point its gonna be tough to make chicken soup outta this chicken poop imo...


nickh (United Kingdom) 1,358 Posts. Joined 03-23-2008.
07-13-2008 10:21 AM - In reply to

K1d_Gr1nD: 
i think UB has the potential to be a great site, but at this point its gonna be tough to make chicken soup outta this chicken poop imo...


UB is probably not gonna be around in a couple of weeks if this new information is true..

BKBlackheart (United States) 3 Posts. Joined 03-08-2008.
07-13-2008 10:23 AM - In reply to

GrinderMJ: 

 Sigh even with all the craziness of ub over the past year i still played there nearly everyday but this is it, gg ub, thanks for the aruba seats and small amount of cash : /



I think I'll stick to FullTilt and PokerStars for the forseeable future. Too much shady stuff going on at UB. Not worth investing money in.

PhiAlphaMTSU (Fiji) 12,507 Posts. Joined 03-23-2006.
07-13-2008 10:24 AM - In reply to

Here are some good clifffnotes from "vizer02" on 2+2:

Here is my attempt at the cliffnotes from the Annie Duke a Liar thread. Some of these cliffnotes were paraphrased from NoLimitLeagues' cliffnotes, found here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...t=#post5022980


1. Brainwashdodo, a person who claims to be a UB employee, posts for the first time in the “Annie Duke a liar?” thread, alluding to additional information he may have.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...13&postcount=9


2. Brainwashdodo makes a post showing a screenshot taken from the UB admin panel. This is not the real NioNio account, as this one was created 04/19/2008 and is a play money account only.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...9&postcount=71


3. Brainwashdodo makes a post showing transaction audits for the following UB accounts: PhilHelmuth, kid55, and –Fred-.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...4&postcount=82
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...8&postcount=87


4. Brainwashdodo also makes a post with 4 links to screenshots taken from the UB admin panel. He shows the account info for kid55, mamamiya, buckskin, and ShaqTack. These screenshots were later removed due to personal info being available on them; however here are two of them with the personal info removed. The kid55 account belongs to Freddy Deeb and the Buckskin account belongs to Lyle Berman. Several people assumed Freddy had a part in the cheating, but as of now there is no proof of that except for the fact that his account was suspended 1 day before the ShaqTack account was suspended, with the exact same comment “(Acct disabled. Do not re-open. Any inquiries please forward to Paul/Nolen. SAraya/ub sec, Tkt #8313668.)”
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/3765/buck2tq6.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9540/kid2ok9.jpg


5. UB releases a new statement regarding the investigation:

Status Update on NioNio Investigation
July 8, 2008 -

UltimateBet’s continuing investigation has confirmed that other usernames, in addition to those previously identified on this site, were associated with the cheating scandal.

The additional usernames include: Crackcorn55, , GrabBag123, gravitation, Bgroup, H_Curtis, Twenty 1, WacoManiac, Broke_In_L_A, ShaqTack, BlueBerry101, 55WasHere, Xnomas, dannyboy55, Indy05, SlimPikins2. The same perpetrators we had previously identified controlled all of these usernames; there are no new perpetrators involved, only new usernames.

We have also confirmed that the cheating dates back further then we initially believed. We can now confirm that the cheating began in January 2005, long before Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG acquired UltimateBet from the previous ownership.

Tokwiro regrets that we did not discover this scheme during our due diligence when we purchased UltimateBet in October 2006, and that we did not identify the fraudulent activity until this recent investigation. We remain committed to our players, and to resolving this problem completely. We will start refunding players for any net losses in hands played with the usernames listed above once we complete our investigation.

Tokwiro considers itself to have been a victim of this fraud and we are continuing to explore our legal options. As part of this effort, we are compiling all of the information we have gathered in regard to the perpetrators and their activities, for possible use in any legal action.

We will continue to provide updates on our investigation, as we are still looking at a few accounts. We would like to take this opportunity to thank the poker community for their invaluable contributions to this investigation and remind them that we remain committed to fully examining any claims of fraud that we receive.

If you have any questions or concerns regarding this investigation, please contact us at pokersecurity@ultimatebet.com


6. NoLimitLeagues analyzes the posts from Brainwash and notices ShaqTack (a known cheating account on UB) had gone through several name changes, including WhakMe, slimpikins2, HolyMucker, and broke_in_l_a, however WhakMe and HolyMucker weren’t listed on UB’s original statement. UB added WhakMe and HolyMucker to their statement after this observation was posted on 2+2. Also, later Trabopoline talks to Paul, the current CEO of UB, who says it was simply a coincidence that the two names were added late.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...9&postcount=94
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=956


7. People start analyzing the transaction audits posted by Brainwashdodo, and the biggest piece of info in these transaction histories showed that -Fred- made a transaction to ShaqTack for $10,000. ShaqTack was one of the known cheating accounts. Also, it seems that the accounts RussHamilton and –russh- were funding other accounts through the –Fred- account because of transfers like the following. This is important because Russ Hamilton is a previous owner of UB. The –Fred- account appears to be an account primarily used to transfer funds to an assortment of players.

a. 517706057 50000.00 Transfer From RussHamilton 2006-DEC-11 04:49:01 PM customer req
517687967 -50000.00 Transfer To Poppychullo 2006-DEC-11 04:41:25 PM customer req

b. 525311086 10000.00 Transfer From RussHamilton 2006-DEC-16 03:58:12 PM customer req
525251767 -10000.00 Transfer To slug2 2006-DEC-16 03:12:52 PM customer req

c. 377361587 40000.00 Transfer From -russh- 2006-SEP-03 05:40:03 PM customer req
377269310 -10000.00 Transfer To ShaqTack 2006-SEP-03 04:26:02 PM customer req
374958034 -5000.00 Transfer To crosdsr 2006-SEP-02 01:20:13 AM customer req
374406862 -30000.00 Transfer To Devilfish 2006-SEP-01 06:38:09 PM customer req


8. Trambopoline explains that the email address that was registered to the NioNio account was the same one that was registered to the H B account. The H B account was also funded by the –Fred- account. The name listed as the owner of the H B account is Haim Bajayo.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=315
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=329
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=789


9. Annie Duke does an interview on PokerRoad radio. She says that Brainwashdodo was trying to blackmail UB. She explains how the cheating was supposedly done, and states that UB is now probably one of the safest sites to play on. She responds to questions about the interview here:
http://www.pocketfives.com/poker-for...erview-3063139

10. People begin posting contact information of people who might know something about the UB software, in case 2+2’ers investigating this topic want to get in touch with them and try to ask questions. Several of the people are former programmers and developers of the UB software who worked for ieLogic (developers of UB software) and IOvation (another software company tied to UB). I’m only listing these because someone requested they be added to the cliffnotes so someone can try questioning them. The last post talks a little more about UB’s connection with ieLogic.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=989
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=989
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1137
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1139
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1141
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=932


11. N 82 50 24 posts this summary regarding the known information of the cheating accounts:

Okay, so these are the total names release by AP and UB:
The following account names are known to have been used in the fraudulent activity:

NioNio
Sleepless
NoPaddles
nvtease
flatbroke33
ilike2win
UtakeIt2
FlipFlop2
erick456
WhackMe44
RockStarLA
stoned2nite
monizzle
FireNTexas
HeadKase01
LetsPatttty
NYMobser
WhoWhereWhen

The additional usernames include:

Crackcorn55
WhakMe
GrabBag123
gravitation
Bgroup
H_Curtis
Twenty 1
WacoManiac
Broke_In_L_A
ShaqTack
BlueBerry101
HolyMucker
55WasHere
Xnomas
dannyboy55
Indy05
SlimPikins2

a. In the first set of names, we know that:

NioNio was changed to NYMobser on Sep 5th, 2007. His other account name was H B. The name on the account was Haim Bajayo and the email was isrelly@aol.

Also, nvtease, sleeplesss and NoPaddles are the same account. It went in the following order... Until April 6th, 2007, the account was known as nvtease. From that point until Sept 5th, 2007 (same date as above), the account was known as NoPaddles. After Sept 5th, 2007, the account was known as sleeplesss.

In addition, the name on that account was Lauren Makar and the address was a Las Vegas address. I won't release the address on here because, more than likely, the person was innocent. Does anyone know how to look up property ownership records in some database? If so, post a link/explanation. Also, if you know the name Lauren Makar, please let us know.

Lastly, this account cashed out WAAAAY more than it should have. Like hundreds of thousands of dollars that was not won at the table. It seems like it was a money funnel of some kind.

I feel pretty bad releasing names because these people were probably just pawns being used by the real cheaters, but if it comes down to that, the people with this info will just have to do that until something comes out. The dirt is out there.


12. N 82 50 24 promptly followed up that post with this groundbreaking post, basically stating that the physical address listed for the nvtease/NoPaddles/sleepless accounts (confirmed superuser accounts) is owned by Russ Hamilton, the prior owner of UB.

a. OMG wow...

http://sandgate.co.clark.nv.us/servlet/Assessor?instance=pcl2&parcel=13819810002


The address is

138-19-810-002 HAMILTON RUSSELL & CAROLYN *20060523:03704 05/23/2006 JOINT TENANCY 200 SUBDIVIDED LOT

Okay people, the address on three of the accounts is owned by Russ and Carolyn Hamilton.

Any questions?

FWIW, this was the info given out by a UB whistleblower (not brainwash, as far as I know):

Customer ID: Token ID: Username: Status: Creation Date: Update Date:UNITED STATES Customer Phone: 702326xxxx Customer Birthdate: 1967-xx-xx Email Information: Address: atease@vegasinbox.com

I got rid of some information like the birthdate and phone number to protect whoever Lauren Makar is.

b. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=5074616&postcount=1425



13. UBdataRus posts a screenshot of some of the nopaddles account’s winnings from poker
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?i...paddlesgl7.gif


14. There is still speculation about who still owns UB. A post from Dan Druff on NWP:

Wow.

There's more to this story from an NWP angle that meets the eye, which I'll talk about in more detail later.

Basically, when we were investingating the AP Superuser scandal (in the fall of 2007), a confidential source told me that Russ Hamilton really still owned AP and UB, and that the "sales" were pretty much a cover-up in post-UIGEA times.

I posted it as an NWP front page story and on 2+2.

Very shortly thereafter, we got a tilt phone call from Russ Hamilton where he was SCREAMING on Dustin's voice mail, demanding that we call him.

I called him, and he told me that what I posted was blatantly false. He demanded that I take those posts/stories down, as I was putting him in jeopardy of being investigated by the Justice Department. Since I had no proof at the time, and was simply quoting a confidential source, I decided it was better that I take the whole thing down. While it was very newsworthy if true, it could also be very damaging if false, and I didn't feel comfortable leaving it up under those circumstances.

Given what has come to light, now perhaps everything makes more sense.

Kajun (United States) 5,485 Posts. Joined 11-14-2006.
07-13-2008 10:38 AM - In reply to

 Great work PHI, call the justice department, immfo



Kajun $endz



dealace1 (Canada) 700 Posts. Joined 01-23-2007.
07-13-2008 11:18 AM - In reply to

For those just getting started on this, the previous 150+ page thread on 4 was locked and a new one was started with a summary:
 
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthread.php?t=248884

It appears to have blown up enough that the culprits behind the cheating should be heading to their safe houses about now.




wtf (United States) 1,630 Posts. Joined 06-04-2007.
07-13-2008 11:44 AM - In reply to

I wanna know where Annie is now?????? I know shes reading so wtf Annie fill us in on how this  is all so untrue UNfknbelievablel!


evry (United States) 191 Posts. Joined 10-02-2007.
07-13-2008 11:55 AM - In reply to

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if everyone associated with UB was investigated and indicted.  Imagine Hellmuth making final table and then having his ass indicted before November.  I don't know if that would be funny or sad.


Rizen (United States) 345 Posts. Joined 09-27-2005.
07-13-2008 11:59 AM - In reply to

This is not completely true. This is one of many reasons, some of which I detailed on my blog and some of which I didn't. This was the reason Annie stated on Poker Road (I haven't listened yet, that's what I have heard). To be fair this was one of the reasons I gave her as well, but not the only one.

-Rizen

wagewar: 
Nuscas: 

So Rizen officially left UB??  Did he make any kind of statement as to why?


He quit due to the impending 60 minutes piece that will air out UB's dirty laundry.

MarkFSU1 (United States) 2,596 Posts. Joined 04-05-2007.
07-13-2008 12:12 PM - In reply to

When Annie makes here statements and does her interviews, where is she getting her information from?  I wouldnt be so quick to jump down her throat, I mean she could be being fed all kinds of BS by somebody and she just is stating what she believes is true.  I dont think Annie is purposefully lying to everybody, but that she is probably being lied to alot herself by people in UB.  I have not followed her real close with her statements (and I may be wrong with what I am saying here), but in big companies, most people only know what they are being told to say and believe...


Ship Happens (United States) 7,517 Posts. Joined 11-09-2006.
07-13-2008 12:16 PM - In reply to

Well the bottom line with Annie is that if she remains with UB she will get negative feedback no matter what shes reporting because its just a shady ass establishment. Go work with your brother at fulltilt I mean itd seriously be like night and day.


wtf (United States) 1,630 Posts. Joined 06-04-2007.
07-13-2008 12:19 PM - In reply to

I agree she is just tryin to save her name, but I think she will jump ship soon.


SJCX (United States) 657 Posts. Joined 01-23-2006.
07-13-2008 12:21 PM - In reply to

 I think its pretty obv listening to her shes knowingly lying.


PuertoKid (Spain) 916 Posts. Joined 04-18-2005.
07-13-2008 12:22 PM - In reply to

SJCX: 

 LOL @ all the people that have defended Annie Duke and her posts on here.



I am not an Annie Duke fan, but I don't know how this changes anything that she has been saying. Annie has just been saying that the cheating was done by old ownership, not new ownership, and that new ownership is trying to fix it (though it won't reveal names). I don't see how any of this changes what she has said on this forum regarding the UB scandal.

needmoney (United States) 429 Posts. Joined 12-26-2007.
07-13-2008 12:22 PM - In reply to

^^^ Mark just hit the nail on the head for Annies next attempt at BS

I can see her now...

"Really guys I am just with the tournament schedule I knew nothing about any of this stuff, I am just as suprised and upset as you guys are"

Either she knew what was going on or purposely turned a 'blind eye' and came and lied to us anyway.  Either way it is the same thing.


                                                                                need

Edit:  "How is it different then what annie has been saying?"

Well because first off and biggest thing if you read through the 2+2 thread is that Russ  hamilton is said to still own a good part of UB, he just did the fishy ownership crap in 2006 to confuse things because of  UIGEA. This is besides the fact that it is without a doubt they didnt pursue this investigation that thoroughly.  I mean DAMN with  MONTHS to investigate it and you "CAN'T" seem to find names of more all the superuser accounts  with all the files in front of you that it takes nat and other  2+2 members  5 days with less then  10 % of the files to come up with.

Then again ^^^^ Nat is fkn awesome so......

 
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