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The chipleader of our tourney says no to a chop (he gets 250$ if he agreed), then gets rivered by a 2-outer and is now short stack. If youre bored, Come watch to see if he finishes 4th (u get 80$). Search me on stars its the only tourney im playing.
I made the post to know if there were any legendary tales of guys saying no to a chop, and regretting it after they lose?
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my endgame sucks, dats why I chop. im 3-17 lifetime wen I get headsup in a 4.40 180 man. 3-17!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!!!!!! i think I need endgame lessons from JJProdigy
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General quesiton:
Wouldnt it be smarter to chop if you are playing heads up for what amounts to 10%of your bankroll?
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EddieO
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09-18-2008 11:21 AM
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Not if you think your opponent is an absolute luck sack that only got as far as he did by winning insane 40-60s who you believe you'll crush 9 out of 10 times.
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I didn't realize people/players chopped in smaller tournaments like these. I didn't even know you were allowed to.
I suspect you'd want to play it out to the end (no chopping) so that when/if you get to a final table or even heads up in a larger tournament, you will have some sort of end game and/or experience instead of just learning to chop when it gets down to final 'x' amount of players.
The only exception I could see that would not apply to my $0.02 thought is that if you satty'ed into a tourny and are way above your bankroll limits. I think somone else posted this point earlier.
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Diggs
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09-18-2008 11:44 AM
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WTF?!?! This hand tilts me. How do you not get it all-in with the Wowswift? nj;kenwfjk;ewnf;kenk; folded the nuts, imo.
Doesn't the wowswift have to be offsuit?
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chopping in a 27 man... ?!?! play a 9 man sng...lol
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Yeah the first huge tourney (field size not money) I won, it was a $3 tourney I played like 3 years ago. First was a hair short of $1K, which was HUGE for my BR back then. I politely declined a deal several times throughout, not sure why, but I felt that I could be these kids. I am trying not to accept deals of any sorts although I did in a $3r HU because my edge wasn't that great against the player. I pretty much refuse from now on. The prize payout jumps are sick in most tourneys, but if you can ignore the numbers and play your opponents, the majority of your profit will come from wins (obv), but in the long run. That is if you are good enough. If you happen to lucksack your way into the sunday million FT and get 3 handed and they staret discussing a deal, you could do it, but more than likely I would not.
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| JustALurker: | |
hahaha, he out in 4th. Thats what arrogant pricks get. Scooreee
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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hahaha, he out in 4th. Thats what arrogant pricks get. Scooreee
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
the guy that kept refusing the deal said his reason was becuz he was better than us. He said that straight to our e-faces. A lttle bit later he flops a set and gets his money in on the flop against an overpair. The overpair rivers bigger set. What a romantic story.
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Akat11
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09-18-2008 12:31 PM
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hahaha, he out in 4th. Thats what arrogant pricks get. Scooreee
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
the guy that kept refusing the deal said his reason was becuz he was better than us. He said that straight to our e-faces. A lttle bit later he flops a set and gets his money in on the flop against an overpair. The overpair rivers bigger set. What a romantic story.
It sounds like he was better than you guys, and was well w/i his rights not to chop. "Always chop" might be the biggest loser's mantra i've ever heard. If you dont think your the best when u sit down......or at the very least have the ability to make less mistakes than your opponenet than your playin in the wrong game.
Edit: minus my asshole like tone i am %100 correct here =\
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Almost every single time I have turned down the opportunity to chop I have gone on to win the tournament. Only cowards chop.
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Akat11
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09-18-2008 12:34 PM
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Almost every single time I have turned down the opportunity to chop I have gone on to win the tournament. Only cowards chop.
Thread over....1st my red beard and now the super ginger mig.com?? The reds have spoken
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EddieO
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09-18-2008 12:45 PM
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Serious question mig, I remember when you won the huge tourney last year on stars and you told everyone from the get go that there would be no chops whatsoever while you were still involved. Wouldn't it be better to keep this to yourself even if that is how you feel considering that people may play a bit nittier if they feel like there is a chance that with3 or 4 people left there could be a chop made? I wondered when I watched that why you would let everyone know that they should be playing for first, when they might play bit more cautious thinking they just want to survive a few more bust outs...?
just wonderinng if you had pondered that or had a different thought, thanks.
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| EddieO: | |
Serious question mig, I remember when you won the huge tourney last year on stars and you told everyone from the get go that there would be no chops whatsoever while you were still involved. Wouldn't it be better to keep this to yourself even if that is how you feel considering that people may play a bit nittier if they feel like there is a chance that with3 or 4 people left there could be a chop made? I wondered when I watched that why you would let everyone know that they should be playing for first, when they might play bit more cautious thinking they just want to survive a few more bust outs...?
just wonderinng if you had pondered that or had a different thought, thanks.
oooooooohhhh some poker theory. I call for a new thread for this, probably not necessary though.
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| EddieO: | |
Serious question mig, I remember when you won the huge tourney last year on stars and you told everyone from the get go that there would be no chops whatsoever while you were still involved. Wouldn't it be better to keep this to yourself even if that is how you feel considering that people may play a bit nittier if they feel like there is a chance that with3 or 4 people left there could be a chop made? I wondered when I watched that why you would let everyone know that they should be playing for first, when they might play bit more cautious thinking they just want to survive a few more bust outs...?
just wonderinng if you had pondered that or had a different thought, thanks.
Yea I would say it might have been best not to tell them no chops. The reason I didnt last year was the wcoops were lasting insanely long we had been playing for like 17 hours straight at the time and I didnt want to waste anytime talking about chops when I knew 100% I wasnt going to. Also when the money is really big like at a wcoop or sunday ft even without the hopes for chops people play like huge nits trying to move up the payscale anyway. So dont think it mattered much but may have been optimal to not say no to any chops like I did.
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