Poker Discussion Post

 i think im speaking for most of the omaha 8b players at ub who have gotten very aggitated at the new schedule. we dont need a whole lotta space on the site but we do need some. and not just 4 tourneys a day 2 of which are 1 dollar. the best solution without taking up too much of the site (if this is the reason they have been removed, bc i cant think of why you would purposefully want your company to lose money just because) would be a nightly $50 tourney with 4-6 $5 rebuy satelites during the day. if you want to make sure the 50 gets to a nice size so you can put a guarantee on it just make the first seat mustplay. since all the 8b players will migrate to this tourney we will have an avg of 3-4k by end of first week. i play with all the reg 8b players and it would be a shame to break up the ub tribe who will surely migrate to other sites for 8b action as they all have it. i like most of your changes otherwise and i am looking forward to playing the 20 dollar omaha rebuy already on there as well as many of the new hold em tournies.  i am sure that the 50 dollar 8b nightly w satelitles would work great please give it consideration. we dont need a guarantee it with the 8b following here at ub it will do fine without one even. thanks for reading my post everyone dont forget to get those butts ready for wsop gonna be a loooooong sit.

 after a little chatting at the 8b tables. it seems a 50 nightly with $3 satelite would be the most attractive.

 MOre tournies more guarantees

so they added an 80k basically? 

OK I am going to try to give a summary response to all the issues raised here.  Let me say that this is not meant to be a defense, more of an explanation and addressing of concerns.  And I am listening to and trying to absorb all the comments.

1) There are only short stack satellites

This is not true.  In the three hours before an event all the satellites are short stack tournaments.  This is because a regular stack MTT satellite will not complete in time for the event if you run within three hours of the master tournament.  Therefore, within that three hour window you cna only play short stack MTT satellites.

However, for the three hours after an event you can play regular stack versions of the same MTT satellites for the next night. So, for example, during the three hours before the 8PM $10+1 sniper tournament you can play lots of shorter stack MTT tournaments for that night's event.  As soon as the event starts, at 8:05 pm you can start playing regular stack MTT's for the next night's $10+1.

This allows people to qualify right before the event bt if you don't like short stack, fast satellites you can jsut plan ahead and play the night before for your seat.  Or, you can play a SnG direct entry where you have your choice of starting stack any time and participate in the Sit and Go Boot Camp Challenge.

I think that covers all tastes for satellites, fast, slow, MTT, SnG.  At least I hope.

2) Nothing has really changed

I am confused by this. In the old schedule the highest guarantee on a $100+9 was $20K.  Every night there is now a $40K guarantee on the same buy in and on Wednesday that changes to an $80K guarantee on a $200+15.  The $120 deepstack has a $20K guarantee and much more play with more chips and longer blind levels.

The $30+3 rebuy now has a $25K guarantee, much higher than before.  All of the smaller buy-ins are guaranteed for 1K players, traffic that UB doesn't have and they will be sure to overlay.  The $10+1 sniper is guaranteed at $10K and the Wwednesday version is $20+2 with a $20K guarantee.

At midnight there is a 50+5 with a $10K guarantee and at 11pm there is a $5+5 rebuy with a $10K guarantee as well.  The afternoon has 4 great guarantees to plus there are some really fun promos around all of these.

The point is that the guaranteees are bigger per event and offer real value.  AND they will not be lowered.

Not only that, on Sundays there is now a $500+30 with a 3 seat guaranteed WSOP event.  UB has never guaranteed more than 1 seat on these and there are great sats running into it.  Plus there is the 25 seat guarantee on May 24th.

3) UB is just going to lower the guarantees when they don't make them.

NOT WHILE I AM AROUND.  If they go down it means I was fired.

4) All Annie did was reduce the number of guaranteed events.

Well, that is half true. The number of guaranteed events is lowered.  But the total amount of guarantee money is not. The problem I have personally had with UB in the past is that the guarantees were relatively meaningless.  there were lots of them but they were always managed at exactly the traffic the site was already getting so it didn't really offer value to players.

Now, the same guarantee money is spread over fewer events so the guarantees on each event are much bigger and so actually will overlay and offer value.  For example, the 9pm 100+9 sniper tourney is guaranteed at double the current traffic.  That seems sweet to me.  that is true of most of the guarantees.  They are mostly guaranteed at double the current traffic.

5) How could you take away the 8:01 120+10 bounty?

Ok...well i kind of file this under the category of you can't please everyone....but....there is a 7:40pm 120+10 deep stack with a $20K guarantee and a 9pm $100+9 sniper with a $40K guarantee every night that book end that 8:01 time slot so I hope that those two tournaments will fill the void.

6) There aren't enough "other games"

That I agree with completely.  I have those in as no guaranteed events but UB doesn't have that much traffic right now so the focus on guaranteed events was on hold'em which is, unfortunately, what most people want to play.  That being said, I am listening to the idea of a $50+5 Omaha with satellites into it every night.  As long as no guarantee on it needs to be there (which is what i am eharing) I have no issue with the add and if you can give me a week or so to work the kinks out of this schedule I am happy to add that in with a few satellites if there is enough of a demand for it.

7) There is not enough for the mid range player

I consider the 50+5 midnight event mid range, the $5 rebuy and the $30 rebuy...also the $30+3 sniper event to be mid range too.  In the guarantees I think I have about an equal distribution of big buy-in and mid range buy-in garantees and the $1 buck rebuy is obviously fun for everyone.  Tha tis really what I can do.  There are lots of no guaranteed mid range buy-in options but, realistically, every event can't be guaranteed so I hope people will play them regardless.

8) There are too many turbos in the small buy-in range.

Agreed.  I just changed the 7 pm $5 $5k guarantee to a non-turbo.  The 11pm reuby I kept a turbo because of the lateness of the hour.  In my past experience I found that players preferred turbos late at night because they didn't want to stay up forever.  If that turns out to be incorrect I will change that too.

Ok...I think I got it all. Please let me know any other concerns you have and I will try to address those too.

Annie

Do you want this $50+5 OMaha 8 or better to be pot limit or limit?  What time?  I am asking as a poll here...is it cool if it is not guaranteed?  I need the responses to this before I would know what to add. If there were no satellites would that be okay or at MTT satellites a must?  What if there were just SnG satellites.

Thanks for the help!

Annie

 Hello,

annie duke:

7) There is not enough for the mid range player

I consider the 50+5 midnight event mid range, the $5 rebuy and the $30 rebuy...also the $30+3 sniper event to be mid range too.  In the guarantees I think I have about an equal distribution of big buy-in and mid range buy-in garantees and the $1 buck rebuy is obviously fun for everyone.  Tha tis really what I can do.  There are lots of no guaranteed mid range buy-in options but, realistically, every event can't be guaranteed so I hope people will play them regardless.

Perhaps you consider a $50 midrange, and perhaps there is a disconnect somewhere in the message being presented.  More than one person has mentioned the lack of quality tournaments for the $10 to $30 range.  This is a true "on-line" mid stakes range.  If you want us to "come back" to UB, which perhaps we might, please explain how what the players consider a mid range and what you consider a mid range differ?

I like to play poker, but its recreational for me, I work... as do many others like me. I do not play $50's, I rarely play $40's... not because I cannot afford them, because I do not want to play them.  I do not plan on changing my opinion of what mid stakes are because you tell me that a $50 is a mid stakes when it clearly is not compared to another site. A $30 rebuy is a high stakes rebuy and does not qualify as mid stakes.

When p5 runs our "team" competitions on here, only one of the tourneys you suggested would qualify for our description of "mid stakes."  So, in effect, when we run another one of the team competitions, your definition of mid stakes will qualify as high stakes for the competition and none of the players who are mid stakes will play them.  I hope this helps you understand what true on-line mid stakes really is, and that is not $20r or even 30r, and it does not qualify a $40 FO, or a $50 FO as mid stakes either.

Frankly, you need to give me a reason to leave the sites I play and come back to UB.  Telling me to adjust what a mid stakes tourney is to match your description is not going to win back my business, nor make me want to come play on the site.

Edit: Also, considering a $30 "sniper/bounty" tourney as mid stakes is criminal.  If I wanted to play a $15 tourney I would.  The play in those "sniper/bounty" tournaments is horrid.  Why would anyone in their right mind give up part of the prize pool (or buy in)?  Its not logical, the times I tried to play those things it seemed that all anyone wanted to do was collect a bounty and it made trying to win them silly at lower stakes.  Please, do not lump in those horrid examples of poker in as real poker.  They are a gimmick.

Thank you.

 

That and not being able to predict the river card (the one that beats u) everytime!!!

Hi Annie, Please make plo8 50 dollar buy in, It would help to ease the pain of you cancelling most if not all the good 8b tournies on ub,  you really disappointed all of loyal ub 8b players here, im playing my last 2k guar plo8 right now as i type this, this tourney always made the guarantee why get rid off it?  I have been very loyal to ub over the years I would hate to have to play solely on stars and tilt. Dont think most of the 8b players care alot about the guarantees we just wanna have some choices to be able to play our favorite game of plo8

i endorse perferelli on $50 o8 w/4-6   1st win must play $5 sats daily.  p.s. nobody ever enters

sng sats on ub.  though i think there might be interest in $1-10 sngs to get into $50 (or so) sats to

larger tourneys or sats.    joke =1 in 120 win a seat!!!!!!!!!

Please add an option to the lobby that allows us to view only the regular tournaments.

With the 1 million satallites all clumped in it makes the lobby so cluttered and unreadable.

The satallites are a must especially with how low the user base is but please make it easier on the eyes.

And also please don't act like you added all these tournies.  You just changed the times around and upped the guarantees by a few k.  We all know the guarantees will be back to normal in less than a month.

I lost count at how many people mentioned that mid stakes were $10 to $30 in this thread.  It gets frustrating when so many people have said that the mid stakes schedule is not very good, and then we are told that tournaments that are not mid stakes should be considered as mid stakes.

Trust me, I am all for improvement at UB, I'd like to go back to play there.  Sadly though, if the conduit for the tournament schedule disagrees with what mid stakes should be, there is a disconnect and the players lose out.

I love the UB structure and really wish that someone there would listen to the mid stakes players, I desperately hope that someone listens. 

Um....I am not asking you to adjust your defintion of mid-range and I am sorry if it came off that way.  There were a couple of posts that mentioned $50 as mid range so I responding to them as well.  In terms of the $10 to $30 range, let me respond.

Every night at 9pm there is a $10+1 sniper with a $10K guarantee which on Wednesdays switches to a $20+2 with a $20K guarantee.  There is a $5 rebuy (which wend up being $15 to $30 buy-in) every night at 11 pm with a $10K guarantee.  Every afternoon at 2 pm there is a $30+3 sniper with a $9K guarantee.  There is also a 2:20 $10 rebuy PLO every day with a $3K guarantee. And, of course, up for argument, is the $50+5 every night at midnight with a $10K guarantee.

In terms of non-guaranteed events, there are lots of tourneys in your range including a $15+1.50 deep stack each night.  Again I can't guarantee every event but there are a lot of events in the 10, 20 and 30 dollar range every day.

Also, there are tons of satellites just in this range in case you are looking to qualify for a bigger event.  Those are all guarantee for at least one seat.  The satellites range from $3 and $5 rebuys to 25+2.50's and 40+4 mega into the 200+15 events. I know satellites are not for everyone but there are so many in the schedule that are mid range and right in that wheel house.

Again, I know the schedule is not perfect and it will need tweaking but I am really trying to service everyone and will do my best to improve it as the weeks go on and people get a chance to play the schedule.

Annie