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Well, I guess I have become the reporter everyone trusts to talk about what goes on behind the scenes while protecting my source's identity, as I have been contacted by and had a long conversation with an employee at UB who wished to shed light on the company. Again, I will protect my source and not be releasing his/her name to anyone, ever.
I will list the all the important points from the conversation as best I can.
1. It is possible to have upto 25 usernames registered to 1 players name on UB, they know about this and are ok with it as a company.
2. If someone does have multiple accounts, even if they are registered to the same name and use the same IP address, they are permitted to play at the same table, cash games and sitNgos and tournies. UB knows about this, and are OK with it.
3. Although my source is not sure if hole cards could be seen during the hand by a superuser account, my source does know that as soon as a hand is over with, UB personell has access to see everyones holecards even those that didnt go to showdown. This has been used by some UB higher ups at times while they were playing. Not a direct form of cheating, but definitely an unfair advantage if the person has access to this while playing.
4. A higher level executive was fired not to long ago, because her 19 year old son, who she got a job at UB, was caught cheating games at the UB office. It is unclear to my source if holecards were able to be seen during the hand, but it is a possibility. He definitely was cheating customers somehow, maybe a cobination of the above things mentioned at the very least.
edit: Another close, reliable source has just talked to me and told me "the woman's son had"administrative access" which let him see hole cards." and that the source "wouldn't besurprised if administrative access still exists" The person went on to say "there's also evidence that at least a couple months agoAJ (Green) was overseeing day to day operations"
5. "Someone" was brought on board by UB to help clean up the site. He figured out the problem was that they were using a version of the software from 1998 that had security holes in it(i.e. no security firewalls were/could be put in place) that couldnt be fixed without a complete overhaul of the software, which was estimated at costing 6 million dollars. UB decided it was not in their best interests to upgrade the software.
6. My source also voiced their concern for my safety for vocalizing these points.
I bring this to light because I feel that this is the important stuff that our community needs to be aware of.
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"Is FT or PS or Bodog any
better? are their owners any less greedy? Can we ask for assurances
that their security hasn't been compromised?"
You can ask them for all the assurances you want and will most likely get them. Doesn't mean a damn thing though. As long as the fox is watching the hen house we really can't be sure WTF is going on.
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Alright you want some facts
UB u can have as many as 25 accounts, u can register them in the same tourney.
My father used to do it in point freerolls that they used to run. He would have up to 20 accounts.
Here is how he got around the black seat problem. When the tourney would start he would log in to each account. That way ultimate bet would not remove him at the first blind level.
If he would bust out of one he would just go to the next. And so on. He would do it with 5-6 accounts. So I am sure you could do this in real money as well. Legggggggggggy said all of this months ago also.
I still do not think that ' is a sign for cheating but that is another story.
He was also able to do this at play chip tables.
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LMAO...King 'Barney' Rube---you are one blind mofo.
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I had the chance to meet Chris Welch when I attended the WSOP in 2006. I decided to e-mail him today to verify if the post from gank was valid. Here are the e-mails:
Hi Chris,
You may/may not remember me from the below string of e-mails... you helped me out a
while back at the WSOP 2006 and with my Aruba trip on Ultimate Bet.
Recently there has been a lot of controversy in the online poker world and I
recently saw your name pop up in the pocketfives.com forum.
"5. Chris Welch, a former employee of Pokerstars, was brought on board by UB to
help clean up the site. He figured out the problem was that they were using a
version of the software from 1998 that had security holes in it(i.e. no security
firewalls were/could be put in place) that couldnt be fixed without a complete
overhaul of the software, which was estimated at costing 6 million dollars. UB
decided it was not in their best interests to upgrade the software."
I have been defending UB dearly for quite some time, but once your name showed up in
some of the "proof" that some players are posting regarding shady ethics in poker
companies... I was hoping you could shed some light on the subject.
Is the above post valid? Am I incorrect to trust UB as I have over the past 5
years? Is the management at UB respectable? Is my money safe?
Hopefully you can take a few minutes just to offer a few insights. Thanks for your
help in the past and I hope that everything is well with you.
Thanks,
Matt
aka "King Rube"
Hi Matt
Thankyou for your note the only comments I will make are these
1 I am a marketing guy , I led global marketing for Stars and was poached to lead
the global marketing for a company that worked for UB. I had no input into technical
areas as this was not my area of expertise.
Thus the comments regarding me and UBs technical side are frankly laughable !!
2 I left shortly after the passing of UIGEA in December 2006
3 In my short time working with UB everyone I met was in my eyes open and honest and
I have zero doubts as to to integrity of the management or the software.
4 UB have since merged with AP with most of the prior management of UB leaving. I
cannot comment on the current team as I do not know them.
5 I have worked in marketing in gaming for over 7 years and have over that time read
on various forums about integrity. Speaking as an insider I have seen nothing even
remotely dubiuous, why bother to fix something that makes millions playing it
straight? Clearly there is always scope for bad apples to not play fair but I can't
comment because I don't know the facts.
I am happy for the above to be posted in full
Regards
Chris Welch
Managing Director Europe
Centrebet.com
Odds-Casino-Poker
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
I trust Chris' word 100x more than gank's. Hopefully this will help the P5'ers discredit crazy posts like these. It's a joke that you state the above as if they're fact gank...
-King Rube
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agreed, proof or leave. conspiracy posts like these are a detriment to the site...
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obv some people missed this on page 1.
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I had the chance to meet Chris Welch when I attended the WSOP in 2006. I decided to e-mail him today to verify if the post from gank was valid. Here are the e-mails:
Hi Chris,
You may/may not remember me from the below string of e-mails... you helped me out a
while back at the WSOP 2006 and with my Aruba trip on Ultimate Bet.
Recently there has been a lot of controversy in the online poker world and I
recently saw your name pop up in the pocketfives.com forum.
"5. Chris Welch, a former employee of Pokerstars, was brought on board by UB to
help clean up the site. He figured out the problem was that they were using a
version of the software from 1998 that had security holes in it(i.e. no security
firewalls were/could be put in place) that couldnt be fixed without a complete
overhaul of the software, which was estimated at costing 6 million dollars. UB
decided it was not in their best interests to upgrade the software."
I have been defending UB dearly for quite some time, but once your name showed up in
some of the "proof" that some players are posting regarding shady ethics in poker
companies... I was hoping you could shed some light on the subject.
Is the above post valid? Am I incorrect to trust UB as I have over the past 5
years? Is the management at UB respectable? Is my money safe?
Hopefully you can take a few minutes just to offer a few insights. Thanks for your
help in the past and I hope that everything is well with you.
Thanks,
Matt
aka "King Rube"
Hi Matt
Thankyou for your note the only comments I will make are these
1 I am a marketing guy , I led global marketing for Stars and was poached to lead
the global marketing for a company that worked for UB. I had no input into technical
areas as this was not my area of expertise.
Thus the comments regarding me and UBs technical side are frankly laughable !!
2 I left shortly after the passing of UIGEA in December 2006
3 In my short time working with UB everyone I met was in my eyes open and honest and
I have zero doubts as to to integrity of the management or the software.
4 UB have since merged with AP with most of the prior management of UB leaving. I
cannot comment on the current team as I do not know them.
5 I have worked in marketing in gaming for over 7 years and have over that time read
on various forums about integrity. Speaking as an insider I have seen nothing even
remotely dubiuous, why bother to fix something that makes millions playing it
straight? Clearly there is always scope for bad apples to not play fair but I can't
comment because I don't know the facts.
I am happy for the above to be posted in full
Regards
Chris Welch
Managing Director Europe
Centrebet.com
Odds-Casino-Poker
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
I trust Chris' word 100x more than gank's. Hopefully this will help the P5'ers discredit crazy posts like these. It's a joke that you state the above as if they're fact gank...
-King Rube
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proof or GTFO with unsubstantiated rumours.
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Bigz
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11-10-2007 11:06 PM
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sounds like another dutch boyd production
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well if that "eye-witness account" has been proven wrong, what else has this 'trusted reporter' got wrong??
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I've got two things to say in regards to this post:
One, I have a mate of mine (one of those shady dudes who jumped on the poker boom but was never a real player at heart) who had his UB account closed for collusion (And correctly so because he was colluding at SNG tables with a mate). He since has stopped playing poker because he can't seem to make any money out of it without cheating.
The other thing I would like to say about this post is of the allegations are in fact true, then your friend should really find a way to get some hard information and then get the hell out of there. I mean if there is someone's son who has access to the hole cards, then he's playing under a username - FIND OUT THE USERNAME AND EXPOSE THE FRAUD. On that note how can "your friend" continue to work for an organization that could be stealing from her friends (ie yourself Gank, and even if you don't play at UB yourself it's the industry you work/play in?).
I think that the exposed information not only sets the moral fibre right but there would be plenty of media who would be willing to pay your friend the information to correct this injustice.
You don't have to expose the source but without the facts on hardcopy or paper this really is a very scary propaganda blast.
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Was he able to do it at real money tables?
I had some mates who got busted for Collusion. To be honest I'm glad that UB picked that up, it showed me that that sort of stuff does get caught out.
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gank
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11-11-2007 8:17 AM
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First of all, I have not put my opinion in this matter at all in my post, I am just passing along info that was told to me by an employee of UB and by another highly respected player on P5's.
Second, if Chris Welch would like to talk to me on this matter, I would love to hear what he has to say, but anything posted by King Rube, who obviously is an employee of UB, does not hold water with me. It is possible that my source had the wrong name of the person who was in charge of looking at the security side of things(or maybe he was dead on), but that doesn't mean the remainder of the info on the security situation is false. I will remove Chris Welch's name from the post, until I can get confirmation one way or the other on who was invloved with that, again, I was just passing on information.
Third, AJ Green, according to my sources, was overseeing day-to-day operations at UB for a period of time, that alone is more then enough to scare the hell out of me, for obvious reasons.
Fourth, King Rube, I am happy you make a big deal about possibly one error in my post, but you fail to address any of the real issues. Do you have any evidence you can supply us that would contradict my 'findings', other then Chris Welch might have been the wrong name of the person who did the security check? This week was the first time I ever heard the name Chris Welch, so I personally only know what was told to me by my very trusted source.
Fifthly, I do know the name of the person who was fired because of her son's cheating at the UB office, though I was asked not to use it in my post by my source. King Rube, I'm sure you know a great deal about this, as you are a UB insider, why not shed some light on this subject, instead of just jamming every post that puts UB in a bad light with nonsense? Though I will say, if the Chris Welch email is legit, I commend you for actually contributing something meaningful to this thread, didn't know you had it in you.
There are people, like King Rube, that have much more access to this info then I do, I urge you to tell us what you know, and help prove, one way or another, some of the points I made in my OP. It would be much easier for an employee from UB to obtain "hard evidence" that these statements are false(which I do not believe is the case), then for me, who has absolutely no access to anything, with the exception of eyewitnesses telling me their story.
How about an independent audit for UB, that surely would clear some of these things up.
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JonesZ
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11-11-2007 8:41 AM
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King Rube: You trust a person you have never personally meet? You place trust in only a written email too you; you are either naive or ignorant probably both.
My issues is not if you trust Welch who is a spin-person for the gaming industry, my issue is with how naive you are. 
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I have personally met Chris Welch on multiple occasions in 2006.
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