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Very early in the 70k gtd, no reads, and villain is not in my dB so we've never played. This is the 1st hand I have played, maybe 2 orbits in. Had a chance to OPR Mcmatto beforehand, and see he's a solid winning player. He has to consider me a random.
I don't mind how I played this, just looking for outside perspective on my line, and maybe some thoughts as to how he found a call here...
Thx ;-)
PokerStars Game #30995912992: Tournament #181768506, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2009/07/28 21:46:53 ET
Table '181768506 108' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: skkills (2970 in chips)
Seat 2: MCMATTO (2990 in chips)
Seat 3: Fargin War (2780 in chips)
Seat 4: ncpoker121 (4128 in chips)
Seat 5: mrchenoweth (3030 in chips)
Seat 6: lipster99 (3100 in chips)
Seat 7: No1 RedChris (5282 in chips)
Seat 9: WarGawd (2970 in chips)
WarGawd: posts small blind 15
skkills: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to WarGawd [4h 4c]
MCMATTO: raises 60 to 90
Fargin War: folds
ncpoker121: folds
mrchenoweth: folds
lipster99: folds
No1 RedChris said, "see ya"
ele11ven is connected
No1 RedChris: folds
WarGawd: calls 75
skkills: folds
*** FLOP *** [3s 7s 7d]
WarGawd: checks
MCMATTO: bets 135
WarGawd: raises 255 to 390 (hmmmm, suppose this could look like "flush draw" to villain, but wouldn't TT+ play the same?)
No1 RedChris said, "win what ever"
MCMATTO: calls 255
*** TURN *** [3s 7s 7d] [7h]
WarGawd: bets 480 (a bit over 1/2 PSB...intent was to look like a boat that wanted the call trying to milk for value... and leaves almost exactly a PSB behind)
MCMATTO: calls 480 (ok 2 choices now, shutdown or "value shove")
*** RIVER *** [3s 7s 7d 7h] [Th]
WarGawd: bets 2010 and is all-in
MCMATTO: calls 2010 (I tried, didn't work, credit to him for the soul read I suppose)
*** SHOW DOWN ***
WarGawd: shows [4h 4c] (a full house, Sevens full of Fours)
MCMATTO: shows [9c 9h] (a full house, Sevens full of Nines)
MCMATTO collected 5970 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5970 | Rake 0
Board [3s 7s 7d 7h Th]
Seat 1: skkills (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: MCMATTO showed [9c 9h] and won (5970) with a full house, Sevens full of Nines
Seat 3: Fargin War folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ncpoker121 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: mrchenoweth folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: lipster99 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: No1 RedChris (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: WarGawd (small blind) showed [4h 4c] and lost with a full house, Sevens full of Fours
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MCMATTO: calls 480 (ok 2 choices now, shutdown or "value shove")
*** RIVER *** [3s 7s 7d 7h] [Th]
WarGawd: bets 2010 and is all-in
MCMATTO: calls 2010 (I tried, didn't work, credit to him for the soul read I suppose)
These two phrases trouble me.
As for the hand you should have just check/called the flop and probably folded to a turn bet.
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| the_snail03: | |
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MCMATTO: calls 480 (ok 2 choices now, shutdown or "value shove")
*** RIVER *** [3s 7s 7d 7h] [Th]
WarGawd: bets 2010 and is all-in
MCMATTO: calls 2010 (I tried, didn't work, credit to him for the soul read I suppose)
| the_snail03: | |
These two phrases trouble me.
I'm not clear....do you disagree that after he calls the turn bet I only have 2 options? And having chosen to shove, he somehow felt his 9's were good and made the call - I personally didn't think my line looked like I had a hand that 9's beat (obviously I'm biased there), so it's fair to give him credit where due. | the_snail03: | |
As for the hand you should have just check/called the flop and probably folded to a turn bet.
Doesn't C/C OOP look way more like a flush draw than C/R? And in that event isn't he way more likely to fire a 2nd barrel? And being OOP I can't be raising in an effort to take a free card on the turn, so I know I have to be prepared to fire again. In reality C/F flop (at least to me) would be better than the C/C line on the flop when I intend to fold the turn like 95% of the time Just my thoughts, wouldn't mind if you elaborated a bit on your response....
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Basically you talked about value shoving and then you're talking about how did he call me with nines!!!
You tried to shove for value and as a bluff? that makes no sense.
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DFish
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| the_snail03: | |
Basically you talked about value shoving and then you're talking about how did he call me with nines!!!
You tried to shove for value and as a bluff? that makes no sense.
when he said value shove he put it in quotations because he meant that he would either shutdown or make a shove that is supposed to look like a value shove but is in fact a bluff.
Like snail said, you should just c/c flop and fold turn, what you did was basically get into a huge pot trying to make a hero bluff early in a tournament when there was really no reason to do so. by the river youre hand is either AA/KK that did'nt reraise preflop, or a bluff, and since there are more combinations of bluffs than AA/KK, he called.
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