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I received word while at lunch that the AP release is due out very shortly. In a nutshell they still have much of the investigation to complete, and that will take time. So far they have definitive proof as to who the culprit was, how he did it, and the fact that he did in fact cash out a significant amount. Further, I am being told that he had more accounts than even we had realized, and they are doing extensive investigations because some of these accounts were attempted to be deleted by him.
This person was the second in charge and has been fired from AP, and his one superior Scott Tom is going to be removed from running AP for a significant period of time. For legal reasons the AP release is not going to specifically name this person, and I will elaborate on that fact and why it makes perfect sense. Most of us know this persons name already as it has already been widely reported.
This person was Scott Tom's best friend and actually lived at Scott Tom's house in Costa Rica. Scott Tom has been living in Panama for quite some time, and the day to day operations of AP were left to the care of his best friend and second in charge at AP. Unfortunately since the person in command of AP was also the thief he obviously issued numerous steadfast denials of any wrong doing. Basically he was investigating himself.
Since this person was a high ranking official he had access to very sensitive information, not only regarding the operations of the company, but also very sensitive information regarding player accounts, balances, names, deposits, withdrawals etc. Because of the Internet Gaming Act their is still a wide gray area as to what is sensitive and what is not. As such the attorneys for both AP and the KGC have the same opinion that is best not to release his name publicly for the simple fact that they do not want more harm being done to the industry as a result of this person possibly trying to disclose this information publicly as a retaliation for him being fired from AP.
Further, even though Scott Tom was not involved in the actual theft, he is responsible for the actions of his friend and second in charge of the company, which is why he is being removed for a significant time frame while the entire process of restoring trust in AP takes place.
I am being told that all monies players were cheated out of will be repaid. I also have made strong overtures and recommendations that in any case involving a player being cheated AP should err on the side of caution and compensate the player if their is any doubt that he was affected.
As I stated before, they already have found several accounts that even we had not known about, and evidence of some accounts that the second in charge tried to delete. All of this investigation is going to take time, but it appears that simply based on this disclosure that they are definitively going to make a concerted effort to make things right.
Chris.
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lol exactly, i was getting that conspiracy vibe and actually thought you were susieQ or sassy.
my bad :)
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Well Chris you are definitely in the forefront of helping make sense of this mess, for that we are all grateful. But everything after the first paragraph sounds like a whole lot of spin.
How could you possibly be 100% unconcerned. I feel pretty secure at Stars, but you nor I has the knowledge to claim we could possibly never fathom such a thing happening there either. All I'm saying is Stars needs to step up in the face of this and do everything in its power to demonstrate its security. To stand quietly on the sidelines and hope the chit cloud doesn't rain on them is patently foolish and irresponsible.
This was one of the biggest sites. I don't care if it was one "rogue" employee or a concerted conspiratorial effort by the entire management team...the worst fears about online poker, the doomsday scenario, played out just like the so-called wackos said it would. That should scare the crap out of everyone who plays online, both because it may take our fun away, and because this can obv be duplicated anywhere.
We need to know what steps other sites are going to take now. Silence equals complicity, on some level.
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I find it convennient he is holed up in PANAMA when shit is hitting the fan.. dude owns his own friggin plane.. why wasnt he on it?
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I cant speak for sassy but ranchgirl has made many comments about me being involved in some inside scheme to rip off players at ub and has made comments in the past about me having some program on my computer that allows me to see inside peoples computers and emails. She is nuts and I get sick and tired of her conspiracy posts. I will defend myself and guys like chris when this nutcase comes and starts posting her stupid claims and questions!
Read some of her posts and I am sure you will get the drift
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Since this person wasa high ranking official he had access to very sensitive information,not only regarding the operations of the company, but also verysensitive information regarding player accounts, balances, names,deposits, withdrawals etc. Because of the Internet Gaming Act their isstill a wide gray area as to what is sensitive and what is not. As suchthe attorneys for both AP and the KGC have the same opinion that isbest not to release his name publicly for the simple fact that they donot want more harm being done to the industry as a result of thisperson possibly trying to disclose this information publicly as aretaliation for him being fired from AP. "
You dont actually beleive thats the reason they are not releasing the name, do you Chris ?
In your post you said it makes perfect sense, but it really really doesn't.
He could leak the info anyway, not releasing the culprits name is clearly not for fear of retaliation, its to protect him.
They are trying to protect this guy and its blatantly obvious, because hes a best freind of Scott Tom.
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Chris,
You mention that you think KGC will learn from this and improve the way complaints are handled. This seems to be the biggest issue. While I am happy the AP claims it will reimburse the players who lost money, what happens if a player is not satisfied with the reimbursemnent as determined by AP.
The statement by AP seems to imply that AP is going to investigate itself with the help of Gaming Associates. Am I not correct that if this happened in Vegas the gaming commission would be all over the casino and the cheats, using the law to protect the players?
In this case, there is one mention of KGC doing an audit also, but according to the Regs, KGC could suspend or revoke their license immediately, thereby preventing the use of servers on the reservation but it has apparently chosen not to do this. Why, I wonder.
We are apparently in a situation where we must trust the site itself, for there is no regulating body with any clout. We are dependant on vigilant players to detect fraud in side the gaming company.
I sure hope Poker Stars does not let me down.
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My above statement speaks for itself.
IMHO the rankings themselves give me a measure of peace. The fact that a simple guy from South Lousiana could rise to the top and be very successful at multiple sites without being "connected" or an insider means that the overall game play is fair. Further, the fact that numerous people from our community have had incredible success at multiple sites tells me that the game is fair and opportunities exist for those who work hard at their game. It doesn't make a difference if your male, female, or from a certain country, or if you know someone.
So again, I still believe that the online poker world is safe. I don't believe because of the AP incident that the sky is falling or that the world is ending. I do believe that what happened was extremely ugly, that many learned lessons from it, and in the sum end both the online poker rooms and the online poker players will learn a lot and hopefully benefit from this whole sordid affair.
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Tim G
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10-21-2007 2:50 PM
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"This person was Scott Tom's best friend and actually lived at Scott Tom's house in Costa Rica. Scott Tom has been living in Panama for quite some time, and the day to day operations of AP were left to the care of his best friend and second in charge at AP. "
LOLZ -- it wasn't my weed, it was my friends, stashing it in my room. Come on, if AP is run like this they deserve to be torpedoed.
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tcmeb
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10-21-2007 2:53 PM
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i didnt actually mean you in my post either, just sassy as shes been on brsavages ass since this thing started
E-catfights ftw
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Ryan, what your stating isnt correct. Your statement implies that they are trying to hide the fact that he was Scott Tom's best friend. That couldn't be further from the truth. They know that we are well aware that this person was Scott Tom's best friend, and that he lived in Scott Tom's house in the compound.
Moreover, they have even disclosed that they have found more accounts than we were aware of...
The reality is that Scott Tom's friend is using his knowledge of sensitive information to try and keep himself out of jail, and although he has been fired from his job, he is using this as leverage against AP and the KGC to make sure they don't pursue criminal charges if they were so inclined. He has basically intimated to them that his name is to not appear on their press releases or he will release this information.
Certainly you understand in light of the UIGA that there are many concerns, from ownership interests who travel or live in the US, to the financial aspects and privacy concerns of all involved, both owners, players etc.
Moreover, they know that we are all well aware of his friend, and that his name has been widely reported for the last few weeks both here and on 2+2. Since this is already known by the community what purpose would it serve to risk his name in the release?
Chris
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Nole91
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10-21-2007 3:17 PM
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Ty for the info Chris.
The OP and your followup make a whole lot of sense.
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Nole91
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10-21-2007 3:20 PM
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Chris - 1 quick question.
Would you ever consider playing at Absolute in the future?
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DJC, I know you mean well but posting this article simply causes confusion.
This article came out PRIOR to the last AP release, PRIOR to their admission of who was responsible. They don't claim a programmer hacked into the system. They know it was Scott Tom's best friend and that he used multiple accounts from the home he shared in Costa Rica with Scott Tom.
Chris
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That day is not in the near future if ever, for me... and that is a personal decision. I also withdrew all of my funds from UB but I may or may not play there again in the near future.
Chris
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