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I received word while at lunch that the AP release is due out very shortly. In a nutshell they still have much of the investigation to complete, and that will take time. So far they have definitive proof as to who the culprit was, how he did it, and the fact that he did in fact cash out a significant amount. Further, I am being told that he had more accounts than even we had realized, and they are doing extensive investigations because some of these accounts were attempted to be deleted by him.
This person was the second in charge and has been fired from AP, and his one superior Scott Tom is going to be removed from running AP for a significant period of time. For legal reasons the AP release is not going to specifically name this person, and I will elaborate on that fact and why it makes perfect sense. Most of us know this persons name already as it has already been widely reported.
This person was Scott Tom's best friend and actually lived at Scott Tom's house in Costa Rica. Scott Tom has been living in Panama for quite some time, and the day to day operations of AP were left to the care of his best friend and second in charge at AP. Unfortunately since the person in command of AP was also the thief he obviously issued numerous steadfast denials of any wrong doing. Basically he was investigating himself.
Since this person was a high ranking official he had access to very sensitive information, not only regarding the operations of the company, but also very sensitive information regarding player accounts, balances, names, deposits, withdrawals etc. Because of the Internet Gaming Act their is still a wide gray area as to what is sensitive and what is not. As such the attorneys for both AP and the KGC have the same opinion that is best not to release his name publicly for the simple fact that they do not want more harm being done to the industry as a result of this person possibly trying to disclose this information publicly as a retaliation for him being fired from AP.
Further, even though Scott Tom was not involved in the actual theft, he is responsible for the actions of his friend and second in charge of the company, which is why he is being removed for a significant time frame while the entire process of restoring trust in AP takes place.
I am being told that all monies players were cheated out of will be repaid. I also have made strong overtures and recommendations that in any case involving a player being cheated AP should err on the side of caution and compensate the player if their is any doubt that he was affected.
As I stated before, they already have found several accounts that even we had not known about, and evidence of some accounts that the second in charge tried to delete. All of this investigation is going to take time, but it appears that simply based on this disclosure that they are definitively going to make a concerted effort to make things right.
Chris.
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Wanna talk in the past? You've always called anyone nuts that dared to suggest any kind of cheats online--UB in particular. I bet you're about to explode cause you can't denounce this one.
GFY SQ
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Chris,
Thank you for all of the information. You mentioned that there might be other accounts that this person/s was using. It is fairly obvious that there should be some remediation for the players who were affected by potripper, GRAYCAT, DOUBLEDRAG, and the other known aliases. Will AP make known any other Screen names so we can check our hand histories? What should players do? Do we trust AP that they will make it right, or just move on and hope we weren't affect. I have requested all my hand histories from them in all cash games since August 2007. Do you have any suggestions?
Sincerely,
Kate
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Give it time to see the actual reimbursement process and disclosure of accounts.
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This still doesn’t add up for me. Here we supposedly have someone who is at best the #3 guy in the company. (He works for Scott Tom who works for the owner.) There is a scandal brewing that threatens the entire company. Yet the #3 guy is entrusted with doing the investigation and with drafting the public statement for the company with no involvement from the two top guys? That seems to be asking us to swallow an awful lot.
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Yes, Shawn is a good guy. No doubt.
Actually, I wasn't sure if shawn was still an ambassador. I believe Legggy is not.
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Was just posting it incase anyone needed background on the story Chris.
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Ranchgirl let us leave this post with the issue at hand...instead of you adding more comments. THIS issue is dead on serious and should not be turned into the crap you have brought up in the past. This appears to be 100% true and has been proven. I would not begin to try to discredit any of the info that has been given here. It sickens me to know that crap like this is even possible.
Mods when will we get a option to ignore a members post without having to hide the entire thread???
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Scott Tom was the #1 ranking operational guy at AP and he entrusted the day to day operations to his best friend who was the #2 in charge.
Chris
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I can understand letting a VP run things day to day. But when you have something that threatens the existence of the company, it's hard to believe the owner and the president (or whatever Scott Tom's title is) wouldn't get involved, at least that's how things would work in my company.
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"Further, even though Scott
Tom was not involved in the actual theft, he is responsible for the
actions of his friend and second in charge of the company, which is why
he is being removed for a significant time frame while the entire
process of restoring trust in AP takes place."
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Scott Tom was the #1 ranking operational guy at AP and he entrusted the
day to day operations to his best friend who was the #2 in charge."
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Doesn't this seem like an awfully severe lapse of judgement on Scott Tom's part? Even if he is somehow determined to be 100% uninvolved in any of the cheating, lying, or covering up of this entire scandal, is this really someone we should feel comfortable with at the helm of a major poker site after some "significant time" passes? I would expect to lose my job if I ran a business that way, and I can really see no benefit to the owners of AP or to its customers to ever put this person back in charge of day to day operations.
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I deleted them cuz they were poorly written, outdated articles IMO... also the guy spelled hole cards "whole" every time lol
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Yes, I know. I had a typo. You probably have a couple thousand more typos to catch with all the posters today, so I won't keep you. What a daunting task you have.
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There's enough people that would like to hide you.
All I did was ask a simple question. Now I know his relationship.
Yes, this is actual proof. Plenty of players have posted about their lousey experiences on UB and no longer play there. We don't need proof for what we already know.
GO AWAY SUSIEQUE - YOU'RE A DAMN IDIOT.
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I will never believe this all too convenient story without some kind of criminal or independent investigation from an impartial, credible organization. They are being blackmailed? Are you kidding me? This is straight out of some cheap ass detective novel. Sorry, they've given us 40 different stories about how this isn't their fault and I see no reason to give any more credence to this version than any of their other ones. Someone needs to get in touch with local authorities and have an honest criminal investigation done with the guilty parties being brought to justice. I couldn't care less about whether or not AP survives and this "story" just sounds way too convenient.
I've always respected you Chris even when I didn't agree with you but I think you are doing a disservice to the poker community here by helping AP spin this story in their favor.
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this is BS.
WE NEED NAT/ADANTHAR INFO CONFIRMATION ETC
they are seriously still trying to get Scott Tom out of this>? unbelievable
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