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stickypiFF14 is the CL, no reads, seem to be aggressive. I 3 bet him the last round out of the sb with q10s, just to establish 3betting history and we were 45bb deep at that point, he folded. The hand before, I opened UTG into the short stack with A6o, and he 3 bet me and i folded.
There is 11 left in the tournament and I think I have a top 3-4 stack, can probably small ball into the FT and look to play more aggressive then, but looking to play for the win obv.
3 possible plays i guess
flatting-play a small pot, get a pay jump, blind down a bit.
3-bet call-possibly good if he's going to 4bet really wide, all the conditions point that way, but 77's just a little low for me, i'm 3bet-calling with 99+aq obv.
3-bet fold-turn my hand into air if not flatted, not bad if I think his 4 betting range isn't uber wide. Not favored because of the 3betting history and the fact that he's CL and it's 5 handed on the bubble.
Full Tilt Poker Game #16158013098: $75,000 Guarantee (116788863), Table 12 - 2000/4000 Ante 500 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:06:39 ET - 2009/11/20
Seat 2: maximusss111 (134,873)
Seat 3: Giperelli (214,780)
Seat 4: stiCKypiFF14 (280,971)
Seat 5: FOLDorDIEnow (54,052)
Seat 9: darkhawk-2000 (166,003)
maximusss111 antes 500
Giperelli antes 500
stiCKypiFF14 antes 500
FOLDorDIEnow antes 500
darkhawk-2000 antes 500
FOLDorDIEnow posts the small blind of 2,000
darkhawk-2000 posts the big blind of 4,000
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to darkhawk-2000 [7c 7h]
maximusss111 folds
Giperelli folds
stiCKypiFF14 raises to 10,800
FOLDorDIEnow folds
darkhawk-2000 has 15 seconds left to act
darkhawk-2000
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I'm never comfortable 3b/calling for this much here...Maybe it's a leak in my game, but I'd always just flat and go from there. And in all honesty, I prolly lose this pot more than I win it oop :S
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It's 5-handed here, so I think I'm 3-betting to like 25k... I don't really mind a call either tho, since I really don't like calling an all-in 4-bet w/ 77 here.
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With the given history...and the fact you're oop, I flat. Not sure if he'll give you credit for anything here w/ 3bet from the blinds again. He probably will 4bet pretty wide here, and calling the 4bet would invest too many of your chips at this point, for a hand like 77 at least. Just my thoughts=o
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 Spraggs: | |
^^ This. Flop A-7-5.....easy double up :-)
You're already in for 4K. It's a 2.5xR from position which most likely means he's not looking at a monster. However, if you 3bet to 25K and he shoves, you have to fold, if he calls, ????. If you see a flop you don't like, it's easy to get away when you just flat. If you 3bet pre and see a dangerous flop, you've set the stage for him to steal.
IMO -- Flat. See a flop. You still have a ton of chips, fold if you don't like how it plays out.
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I like a flat also. I think with the history if you raise you are going to have to get it in if 4 bet and even though your ahead of his 4bet range in this situation I hate racing for such a huge pot.
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| sgildea25: | |
However, if you 3bet to 25K and he shoves, you have to fold...
No you don't. Villain is opening the button, and from the sounds of it (and from what I've seen from villain, limited experience tho), he is probably capable of 4-betting pretty wide here. edit: i talked with OP about this hand and was semi-watching the table at the time fwiw.
I don't really know what's optimal here OP. Flatting is the easy answer because it can't be "bad," but vs some guys 3b/c can def be better. It takes a pretty aggro muthafucka for me to confidently just 3b/c here though, so I have to leave that up to you and your feel for this guy.
So ya, flat most of the time, and be ready to call heaps of cbets (even on not so great boards).
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| swright10: | |
I like a flat also. I think with the history if you raise you are going to have to get it in if 4 bet and even though your ahead of his 4bet range in this situation I hate racing for such a huge pot.
if ur ahead of his 4bet range lol then why dont u 3b/get it in
i dont think u are ahead of his 4b range considering u only 3b him once. you need a better read like how hes been playing other ppl etc before u can profitably 3b/c
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| doubledave22: | |
if ur ahead of his 4bet range lol then why dont u 3b/get it in
i dont think u are ahead of his 4b range considering u only 3b him once. you need a better read like how hes been playing other ppl etc before u can profitably 3b/c
he's been 3betting, and had just 3bet me the hand before in an obvious spot
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well even if i think i'm slightly ahead of his 4betting range, should i take the flat line or the 3bet/call line considering it's the FT bubble, and i'm 3rd in chips.
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| darkhawk-200: | |
well even if i think i'm slightly ahead of his 4betting range, should i take the flat line or the 3bet/call line considering it's the FT bubble, and i'm 3rd in chips.
it all depends on ur read man if u think hes shoving 5s on u then sure go for it but u should have a pretty good read on the dude if its the FT bubble and hes CL. Im flatting here alot just cause i dont think with ur history/lack of read hes gonna be jamming worse often enough.
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my read was he's loose enough and it was the perfect spot for him to shove light. Stack size, situation(FT bubble with him as CL), bb vs button, the fact he 3bet me last hand, the fact that i 3bet him last round.
Anyways thx for comments. He ended up having aqo, board ran out 444ka.
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| darkhawk-200: | |
my read was he's loose enough and it was the perfect spot for him to shove light. Stack size, situation(FT bubble with him as CL), bb vs button, the fact he 3bet me last hand, the fact that i 3bet him last round.
What you said here makes a fair bit of sense and can certainly be the case, but you've gotta be careful. Just because YOU see all these things doesn't mean villain does. And like Dave was saying, whether you guys had a dynamic where he'd very often 4bet you wide here (smaller pairs and even worse) is really hard to say.
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You are both plenty deep enough to set mine here. You are getting ~2.8:1 direct on the call so you only need another 11:1 implied on the 6800 call to mine, you have almost 23x the call behind & he has more - set mine should be solidly +EV here.
my 2 cents
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