Poker Discussion Post

Fair enough......

but it doesnt change the underlying message and fundamental point.  The tone of your post is not one of condemnation nor the objectivity of a reporter presenting counterspin of a company on the brink. 

Like you said, its one of potential forgiveness.....

and like I said, Bottoms Up.

I hope all of you who despise UB never play there again, You have valid points etc etc but I think its about time you let it go and stop whinning about it. you say UB is ignoring the issue. Well based on what Nat said this is not the case.

Poker is a game of cheating in the first place. Doyle once said when playing 7 stud something to the effect of: If you aint cheating you aint playing right.

Good news thanks for the update Nat 

Please tell me this is not a sales pitch to come back to UB or AP.... 

lol

Dissident:

 

I think its about time you let it go and stop whinning about it

Sure thing, just as long as all of you who continue to play there stop whining about lack of guarantees, poor customer service, slow cashouts, etc etc.

And LOL @ poker being a game of cheating. 

If you're talking to me, it should be pretty obvious that it isn't.

 

N 82,

Can you comment on the KGC and whether they seem to be a good regulatory agency or just a joke, like many people think? Did you see their involvement in the UB or AP scandals?

I will start by saying I am an Ultimate Bet enthusiasts. It has always been my favorite site to play on. Maybe because it is the only site that I am more than jusy a little profitible, but thats besides the point. I notice P5ers are blasting Annie Duke for not addressing the superuser controversy. I think this is patently unfair!! I would think that her continued involvement with the site is an unverbal statement that she is satisfied that the situation is being handled in a responsible manner, at THIS point anyway.

 Nat in his recent post obviously feels similarly. I think it obvious that she has no intent in becoming the spokeswoman for UB concerning this and without question, if she addresses she will be. Fair or unfair, we have all seen what happened over at AP when a player became the face of the site in the controversy over there. Mark Seif is a villain in most peoples eyes including my own.I for now, will continue to play at UB and see what happens. The new schedule is not my favorite, but has some things I do like. I dont like the Idea of super short stacks and a lot of turbos. The thing I liked most about Ub was that it had a slower structure when compared to other non-deepstack turneys on other sites.

 Annie if you happen to read this, more turneys please in the $6-$35 range that reward good play. I am not suggesting that it would reward me myself. But if players want to push and pray early in tournament let them go back to the sites they are used to donking in instead.Oh well, I am sure you want the donks on Ub too, but dont forget the rest of us

Just wanted to make sure...

Hmmm I know when I play just two tables at ftp my hole cards are almost always similar,ie:k8,q8,a6a7 etc. pisses me off and i lose to similar cards on the two tables.

jtown1010:

You're in a tough spot Nat, a lot of people will probably give you shit regardless of what you say about this sensative issue. I think the majority of the online community realises how valuable you have been during this debacle and appreciates your hard work at getting everyone some answers.

Unforunately there are always going to be people that will give you a hard time because you became one of the major players in this thing. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say that most of the internet is very happy to have someone like you working with UB on this.

 qft
 

this is very interesting,i never heard about this till now. but personally i dont play on either of those sites in regards to the interface is corny and the selection of games isn't my type. but regarless if anyones ignorant enough is to keep playing on the websites (i do not know the laws on repays on that bullsh!t) is completely and utterly stupid. if there is someone out there who is breaking a 128bit safe encryption or more i dont knowwhat exactly every site has but it is high (but obviously there is a very smart human out there who knows what hes doing, and i wouldn't put it past any of you that he knows every single in and out to what he is doing and what he is doing wrong) so my personal opinion, i know a good amount about this shit is to take a break and see what happens, keep a close eye on your posts and your fellow players and what is happening, cause ladies and gentlemen, as the post was said dont quote me "SOMEONE IS INVESTIGATING THIS: don't for a second take that as a safety precaution (sorry P5) but whoever is doing this is a very smart individual and he/she knows what they are doing, to be honest.....this is thousands of peoples personal money, and if they had the right people working on this, it would have 99.9% have been solved by now, so for me all i can think is the "contributers to these websites" dont have the right help there looking for, because either this is a very smart indiviual or they just don't want to reveal the situation, which would be complete bullshit because anyone who plays there should know....i could keep going for hours, this is like a retarted internet politic...so if anyone wants to quote on that go ahead, because i know im right, so POCKET FIVES DO YOUR USERS A FAVOR AND GIVE THEM THE SITUATION AND NEWS OF WHAT IS GOING ON, or you will continue to lose users.

-----------ST3W       LCPL USMC

^^^

guy has < 100 posts and obviously does not know his arse from his elbow.  who the fuck are you to come on here and make such a disrespectful post towards someone like nat?? He has proven himself to the community over a long period of time, and should not even be wasting his time responding to a piece of trash like you.

never has a GET THE FUCK OUT been so more deserved.

I never understand why people are so hateful towards ap/ub?

There's a lot of reasons not to play on those sites, if you don't want to that's fine, but why the ongoing hatred for them in every single thread?  Apparently not playing there is not enough, there's some deep seated need to come on here and spout off about them every thread.

jee sus, get a life will you.

Good job nat, fuck the haters.