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unexploitable does not always = optimal

AA and KK.  thats pretty unexploitable

gbmantis:

unexploitable does not always = optimal

You have the formula from the other post and also alot of information.  Read through it and do your own calculations.

Nothing is unexploitable.. If it was everyone would be doing it.

AFink93:

Nothing is unexploitable.. If it was everyone would be doing it.

when he shoved 20bbs with Q10, all he's saying is, that in a heads up pot, Q10 is way ahead of 2 random cards, and that shoving that amount will take the pot down enough pre flop, and suckout just enough post flop, that its a profitable shove.  still doesnt make it less dumb.

downbylaw11:

when he shoved 20bbs with Q10, all he's saying is, that in a heads up pot, Q10 is way ahead of 2 random cards, and that shoving that amount will take the pot down enough pre flop, and suckout just enough post flop, that its a profitable shove.  still doesnt make it less dumb.

I guess I should explain this a little more, I know there is a chart that exists that shows hands and what amount of effective stacks you can unexploitabley shove BvB. If I'm not mistaken it was done by David Skalnsky and someone else. Also fyi I don't plan on making the unexploitable shove every chance I get when I play because obv. it's not optimal. After reading the article it just reminded me of hearing about this chart and was kind of curious to look at it.

AFink93:

Nothing is unexploitable.. If it was everyone would be doing it.

use pokerstove, u can figure most of it out.  and gbmantis's comment is obv true.

http://www.mediafire.com/?yjztenj1cmw