Poker Discussion
|
|
Please help support pocketfives by using our links when choosing to download a new site!
CarbonPoker · Full Tilt · PokerStars · Ultimate Bet · Players Only · Bodog
PokerStars Game #13268809771: Tournament #67323357, $25+$2 Hold'em No Limit -
Level X (400/800) - 2007/11/16 - 00:26:47 (ET)
Table '67323357 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: PythalesLFB (1867 in chips)
Seat 3: NutPopper (7665 in chips)
Seat 6: Chrono526 (3968 in chips)
PythalesLFB: posts the ante 50
NutPopper: posts the ante 50
Chrono526: posts the ante 50
Chrono526: posts small blind 400
PythalesLFB: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Chrono526 [9d Ac]
NutPopper: raises 6400 to 7200
----------------------------------------------------
this guy is a very good thinking player, so I know that he is going to be
pushing ATC in this spot. Knowing that do I make the call despite the BB being
very short. I know he has less than 3 BBs but, it's not as if he's all-in in the
BB or anything. If I call I'm about 60% against two random cards. Worth the risk
at this point. Tell me what you think.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
By
l337O
on
11-15-2007 11:56 PM
|
|
|
Definetly call.. even if u fold the short man can easily double or get walked seeing he has nothin to lose.. then he's got the same amount of chips as u..
u know nut is just pushin around with just about anything so this is a good oppurtunity to position ur self for 1st in the tourny..
u gotta play for 1st in these things
|
|
|
Call hands: 44+,A4o+,A2s+,K9o+,K6s+,QTo+,Q9s+,JTs (26.4%) if hes shoving any 2
|
|
|
NutPopper is indeed a very good player. I have played him before, and found him to be very competant.
I strongly disagree with your assessment that he will be shoving any two cards here. Why would you think that? He has no fold equity at all! Shoving any two cards would be completely idiotic unless Pythales has proven that he was so dumb that he might actually fold. There's no reason to shove 23o into someone who is calling for sure.
The following is what NutPopper should be pushing knowing that the BB will call 100% of the time, and knowing that you will call 6.6% of the time (optimal calling ranges):
36.3%, 22+ Ax+ K4s+ KTo+ Q6s+ QTo+ J7s+ J9o+ T7s+ T9o 96s+ 86s+ 76s 65s
Given that range, you should call with:
6.6%, 99+ ATs+ AJo+ .
Complete pushing/calling ranges for all players can be found at:
http://www.holdemresources.net/hr/sngs/icmcalculator.html?action=calculate&bb=800&sb=400&ante=50&structure=0.5%2C0.3%2C0.2&s1=7665&s2=3968&s3=1867&s4=&s5=&s6=&s7=&s8=&s9=
Even though you beat his range, you are slightly short of what you need here due to the fact that you need to win this hand more often than you lose it.
Fold A9o because you are slightly short of what you need in this case.
|
|
|
There's nothing "very tough" about this hand at all. I hope you made the correct decision and called. At first glance I figured you must be four-handed because you were pondering what to do with A9 here. Then I thought, oh it must be a 6-man SNG where only the top two spots pay. Then I realized I was wrong on both counts. Now I know why my ROI is so high. There must be a few players out there who fold A9 to me in this spot. So I take my advice back. Go ahead and fold. By folding, you give yourself an excellent chance to finish second.
FWIW, I call his push with A9 here even if there were still four players left. Then I put him in the same predicament the very next hand. It's always fun to see how a bully reacts to taking a punch or two.
|
|
|
|
Jenn, I have played many, many SNGs with NutPopper and I assure you that he's shoving any two cards here. He is by far the lightest shover I have ever played against, whether pre-bubble or post-bubble. And yes, he's good.
|
|
|
Are you serious? How does he have a positive ROI if he would make a decision like that? Shoving small cards into someone who is calling no matter what is pretty serious spew.
| Username |
Games Played |
Av. Profit |
Av. Stake |
Av. ROI |
Total Profit |
Form |
|
|
|
| NutPopper |
17,108 |
$1.17 |
$20 |
7% |
$20,036 |
LLPLLLLL |
|
|
x |
If you are indeed correct about Nutpopper's range, though, A9o is most definitely a call!
|
|
|
|
I haven't played any of the players, and whether he is shoving any 2 is not important.... you are ahead against any intelligent player's shoving range and you are certainly ahead against the BB.... someone else can quantify this better but chances are that you are a favorite either heads up or 3-way, and it's an easy call.
|
|
|
|
6.6% seems awfully low for an optimal calling range when you're talking about risking 2nd place money to get third...
|
|
|
|
Shoving any two there is not optimal, but I disagree with it being serious spew. I'm shoving about 80% of my holdings there. 3-8 offsuit is hitting the muck but not much else. You can count on the guy in second to fold A9 apparently, but if the big blind doubles up with his ATC you still have the chiplead and a reasonable chance to win the SNG. However, if you fold on the button and let Mr. A9 collect the shortstack's chips, you're suddenly in a heads-up dogfight that you could have avoided by taking control of the SNG and not letting go. SNG's are frequently won by the player who moves his chips into the middle the most often once the blinds and the antes are high. That is why NutPopper makes a profit. His chips are in the middle EVERY HAND. When I play against him I have to either pick him off with any marginal holding (much weaker than A9--think J7) or shove my chips in the middle before he has a chance to act.
|
|
|
|
Shoving small cards here is definitely very very bad in NutPopper's spot. If you do so, you are actually in a three-way dogfight most of the time when the BB calls and doubles through you. The whole point of getting your chips in the middle a great majority of the time is to take advantage of fold equity. Here, Nutpopper has none.
|
|
|
id put in my 2 cents but throuh 1,100 sitters im -$11.00
thats neat huh
|
|
|
|
lol that seems like very strange statistics to me that you are that close break even heh
|
|
|
|
|
PocketFives.com Rankings
|
|
|
|
|
Carbon Poker Sorting Tables
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|