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what does "M" mean in relation to people talking about their chip stacks?
clantaztic (United States) 62 Posts. Joined 08-28-2009.
11-02-2009 7:00 PM

 

 
 
 

allin4flush (United States) 273 Posts. Joined 07-29-2009.
11-02-2009 7:12 PM - In reply to

 1 M = the cost to play one orbit of poker.


If the blinds are 500/1000 with a 50 ante and 9 players, 1 M = 500+1000+(9*50) = 1950


So if you have a stack of 10,000 you have an M of just over 5.  If you have 195,000 chips you have an M of 100.


There's a long section in "Harrington on Hold'em v2" discussing this, and their relation to the inflection points is considered by Harrington to be the #1 thing to know in winning tournaments.


Presnell (United States) 40 Posts. Joined 12-14-2008.
11-02-2009 7:12 PM - In reply to

 It's from Harrington on Hold Em.  It is your stack size divided by the sb + bb. 

Ex. Blinds are 150/300 & your stack is 1000.  M= 2.22


You should read the books.


clantaztic (United States) 62 Posts. Joined 08-28-2009.
11-02-2009 7:14 PM - In reply to

 thank you thank you.


pikappraider78 (United States) 1,829 Posts. Joined 08-16-2007.
11-02-2009 7:15 PM - In reply to

 it is the amount of money it costs per orbit divided by the chip stack.  so if you have 5k chips and the blinds are 100-200 with a 25 chip ante at a 9 man table your M = 5000/(100+200+25x9) or 9.5


clantaztic (United States) 62 Posts. Joined 08-28-2009.
11-02-2009 7:16 PM - In reply to

 Have not gotten around to reading harringtons yet, but see M pop up on here sometimes and Pearljammer uses it in there book. thanks tho

 


Projekt420 (United States) 841 Posts. Joined 03-31-2009.
11-02-2009 9:52 PM - In reply to

 I went on a little mission to find out exactly what the "M" stands for, and It's just "M". I lol'd.


RANDYPET (United States) 306 Posts. Joined 02-19-2007.
11-03-2009 11:50 AM - In reply to

The term 'M' actually relates to Paul (Quack-Quack) Magriel, who Harrington borrowed it from for his books.


SpauldingSmails (United States) 327 Posts. Joined 06-26-2007.
11-03-2009 12:19 PM - In reply to

M is the total cost of one blind orbit


MadTiger (United States) 6,325 Posts. Joined 02-10-2006.
11-03-2009 12:38 PM - In reply to

To further add to the discussion, the reason the calculation was analyzed was to determine what strategies were most likely to be the best tournament poker strategy at various values of "M."


royalStud (United States) 191 Posts. Joined 12-26-2007.
11-03-2009 2:00 PM - In reply to

I like the M concept but I wish there was a "M calculator" program.  It sucks having to open calculator and manually type in the digits.

Any idea what % of ranked pro's pay strick attention to thier M?


Projekt420 (United States) 841 Posts. Joined 03-31-2009.
11-03-2009 2:11 PM - In reply to

RANDYPET: 

The term 'M' actually relates to Paul (Quack-Quack) Magriel, who Harrington borrowed it from for his books.



Hmm, interesting.

MakeMeMaster (Finland) 789 Posts. Joined 08-20-2008.
11-03-2009 2:13 PM - In reply to

royalStud: 

It sucks having to open calculator and manually type in the digits.


lol. You can't count your "M" without a calculator?

deadeyed (United Kingdom) 371 Posts. Joined 07-17-2006.
11-03-2009 3:02 PM - In reply to

royalStud: 

I like the M concept but I wish there was a "M calculator" program.  It sucks having to open calculator and manually type in the digits.

Any idea what % of ranked pro's pay strick attention to thier M?



there is a software program called Tournament Indicator. this calculates your M and everyone else's at the table, also your pot odds and vpip... etc etc of your opponents

rayspizza (United States) 487 Posts. Joined 12-29-2006.
11-03-2009 3:28 PM - In reply to

royalStud: 

I like the M concept but I wish there was a "M calculator" program.  It sucks having to open calculator and manually type in the digits.

Any idea what % of ranked pro's pay strick attention to thier M?



If your playing the same tourneys/structure over and over again, then you probably don't have to worry about calculating your M.  Inflection points will be clear to you based upon your chip stack and knowledge of the tournament structure. 

So my guess is most High volume players are not using it, in the traditional sense. It is far more likely that they are going by # of BB within a particular tournament structure. 

However, M is  useful when playing in unfamiliar structures and it is my guess that it is used more when these people are out of their element.

It is also useful when conveying information to people who play less volume, as they may not have the intricate knowledge of a particular tournaments structure. So, by using M instead of BB in these discussions, one can normalize the information and convey the inflection point without referencing the structure.
 
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