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Alright, so here it is.
The account 'ABlackCar' was not made for multi-accounting. It was intentionally made for my grandma for her birthday present. However, it was never given to her. So, I had an extra account. Yes, I multi-tabled. Yes, it is incredibly easy. Yes, many people do it was . You really have no idea about the situation.
About 2 months ago, I thought it was just a really bad idea like everyone else. A lot of my friends did it, and i always gave them a hard time for it. But, I had a conversation with a player where we decided it would be a lot of +EV to not be known when you are playing MTTs. So, basically, I had a spare account with tons of +EV in it. So many poeple did it with no reprocautions. I know someone who had over 10 accounts in a recent million guaranteed. Party has no idea.
So, back to the day of the win. When there was about 30 left, I started telling all these people I was in. I was too much caught up in the moment, and it was a really stupid thing to do in hindsight. It slipped out, and everyone knew. The account was in the name of my grandma, and it was intended for her to play in, so that was the easiest excuse for me. I apologize for lieing to everyone. I really do. When such a large amount of money is on the line, it's really tough to be loyal to morals.
The next morning, both accounts were close. Today, they took away all the money. The roughly 40k in JJProdigy, and the 140k in ABlackCar. The following is what I was e-mailed by Party:
Josh,
The PartyPoker.com investigations team opened an investigation on accounts JJProdigy and ABlackCar relating to suspicious activities during the February 12th $500K Guaranteed Tournament. The investigation was initially triggered by the investigations team as a result of a ýcommon informationý alert, IP and computer. Although the investigation was initiated internally, customer service began receiving complaints/concerns regarding this situation starting on February 13th.
With this investigation, the complaints and alerts pointed to multiple accounts being played from the same location in the same tournament.
The accounts involved in the investigation:
Account JJProdgy was created on November 4th, 2004.
Account ABlackCar was created on December 31st, 2005.
Note: The account ABlackCar was not created until December 31st, 2005, therefore all previous data was not used in the investigation unless found to be relevant.
When investigating the location of where an account is played from, there are two identifying factors that are taken into account.
A specific computer is traced by a unique computer identification number.
An Internet Protocol (IP) address is the address that an internet service provider uses to identify and trace the location of a computer.
From December 31st, 2005 until February 11th, both accounts only used the IP address xxxxxxx, which traces to xxxxxx, CA. Both accounts only used a computer with the same identifier. These are referred to as the xxxxxx IP and computer.
Account ABlackCar was created from the Home IP and computer on December 31st, 2005. On dates of January 1st, 3rd, 5th, 15th and February 6th, 7th and 9th ABlackCar logged into the Home IP and computer and registered and played in a total of nine tournaments. All of these tournaments had a buy-in of $100 or more.
Account JJProdigy was logged into from the Home IP and computer on the same dates and registered and played in the same tournaments.
Both of these accounts were played from the same computer and the same IP address in the same tournaments.
The tournament in question took placed on February 12th. At 13:54 ET account JJProdigy logged into a different computer, but from the Home IP, and registered for the $500k Guaranteed Tournament. That account then logged out and back in on the Home computer at 15:18. $215 was transferred to account ABlackCar at 15:27. At 15:32 account ABlackCar logged onto the Home IP and computer and registered for the same $500k Tournament.
Both accounts started playing the $500k Tournament from the Home IP and computer.
Summary:
This indisputable evidence led to the conclusion that both accounts had played several tournaments together from the same computer located in the same location.
Account ABlackCar, although registered in a different name, is believed to have been created with the sole intention of playing multiple accounts in the same tournaments. Both accounts were consistently logged into at the same time and show a consistent pattern of being played by the same person.
Conclusion:
A decision has been made, in consultation with the Poker Room Manager, Legal and Management, to close both accounts and confiscate all funds. Funds gathered by this deception will be refunded to the players that were affected.
Regards,
Francis Hamilton,
Investigations Team
alerts@PartyPoker.com
PartyPoker.com
The next one is:
Although we did not need such admission given the overwhelming evidence of cheating that you provided to me, Mr Fields’ admission certainly helps us feel even more confident that we have taken the right action. Mr Field’s assertion that this is permitted is completely untrue. Term 5 of our terms and conditions states:
5. True Identity and One Account.
The name on your Account must match your true and legal name and identity and the name on your PartyPoker.com Account registration must match the name on the credit card(s) or other payment accounts used to deposit or receive monies in your Account. You are prohibited from holding more than one Account at PartyPoker.com.
This means that Mr Field is in breach of our terms and conditions by holding more than one account in different names. This term is included in our terms and conditions to prevent player cheating and fraud.
Furthermore, our terms also state (relevant sections highlighted in blue):
“6. Rules and Procedures of the Games.
You must play the Games pursuant to the generally accepted casino and poker rules set out in the Game Rules section, and the procedures specifically set out in the, the Games Section of the PartyPoker.com website, including but not limited to How to Play, Table Stakes, Tournaments, Tournament Rules, Poker Etiquette section and any other page on PartyPoker.com that specifically relates to and governs any particular event, game or tournament.
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19. Fraudulent Activities and Prohibited Transactions.
The Company has a zero tolerance policy towards inappropriate play and fraudulent activity. If, in the Company's sole determination, you are found to have cheated or attempted to defraud the Company or any other user of any of the Games in any way including but not limited to game manipulation or payment fraud, or if the Company suspects you of fraudulent payment, including use of stolen credit cards, or any other fraudulent activity (including any chargeback or other reversal of a payment) or prohibited transaction (including money laundering), the Company reserve’s the right to suspend and/or close your Account and to share this information (together with your identity) to other online gaming sites, banks, credit card companies, and appropriate agencies.
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21. Forfeiture & Account Closure.
21.1 THE COMPANY RESERVES THE RIGHT, IN ITS UNFETTERED DISCRETION AND IN RELATION TO YOUR ACCOUNT, ANY RELATED ESP ACCOUNT, ANY ACCOUNTS YOU MAY HAVE WITH OTHER SITES AND/OR CASINOS AND/OR SERVICES OWNED OR OPERATED BY OR ON BEHALF OF THE COMPANY AND ANY SERVICES THAT SHARE THE SHARED GAME/TABLE PLATFORM, TO WITHHOLD YOUR ACCOUNT BALANCE, SUSPEND YOUR ACCOUNT, AND RECOVER ANY PAY-OUTS, BONUSES AND WINNINGS IF:
(i) You are in breach of any term of this Agreement;
(ii) The Company should become aware that you have played at any other online gaming site or services and are suspected of fraud, collusion or unlawful or improper activity;
(iii) You have "charged back" or denied any of the purchases or deposits that you made to your Account;
(iv) If you become bankrupt or analogous proceedings occur anywhere in the world.
21.2 If after a Security Review (see section 20 above) has been performed you have either:
(i) Been found not to have been in compliance with this Agreement; or
(ii) Not provided responses satisfactory to Company in its sole discretion within any reasonable timeframe specified in a security review request or (where none has been specified 30 days from the sending or making of the request); then ANY WITHHELD ACCOUNT BALANCES WILL BE DEEMED FORFEITED AND YOUR ACCOUNT CLOSED.”
In this case we should also remind Mr Field that his behaviour is both against our terms and conditions and against generally accepted casino and poker rules (which are incorporated by reference in clause 6) and which are there to protect both him and our other players. His actions leave us with no other options given our zero tolerance policy to cheating and unfair practices.
Regards
Legal Affairs
What I did was wrong. I shouldn't have been doing it in the first place. It made me lie and cheat to people and a community I know and trust. I feel terrible about it, but there isn't much I can do about it now.
Adam and Cal have handled this very well, and I thank them a ton.
***m not sure where I move on from here. I am contimplating legal action, but I won't go too much further into that.
(I am saying this more about the 40k than the 140k. They deserve to take away the 140k from me, and I compliment them that they were able to make such a bold move. However, I doubt anything will come with it. I typed this swiftly, and was somewhat still hoping I would be able to get some of teh money back, which i do not deserve.)
Thanks for all the supports through this whole ordeal. I really do appeciate it.
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Your a good player you will bounce back from this. Don't let it get you down.
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Uston
(United States)
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02-17-2006 8:51 PM
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Honestly I am digusted by this. How you discussed with another player it was very +EV and decided to do it based on that is pathetic. I dont care how many people do it, it is downright wrong and you know this. Also sad to hear lots of other players doing this. I guess for some people money is more important then having dignity and playing by the rules. Your immaturity shows.
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You're considering legal action?????
YOU CHEATED
YOU GOT CAUGHT
PARTY TOOK PROPER ACTION
GG day in court
A.J.
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Go get your money back, you still earned it!
DEMAND your money back, as well as $300,000,000 for suffering and pain.
Well, ok, the $300,000,000 is not neccessary, but at least get your
other funds back or sue for time wasted or SOMETHING!
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I will never play there againn because of there dishonest move
not because of JJ. Party should have a 1 account policy like paradise.
GG Party Poker.
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I don't understand why they took the money out of the JJprodigy account. That has nothing to do with that tournament.
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that's rough. I hope that you bounce back from this. Whether or not people support or don't support you playing on multiple accounts, I don't think that many people would think that your accounts should be confiscated.
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JJ sorry it went down this way. Good luck in whatever you decide to do.
Uhbigtex-- maybe you should read everything in blue in JJ's post.
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Yea, Party Poker=Terrible site, dishonest, terrible blind structure.
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This is a very tough situation JJ is in and I certainly wouldnt want to be going through what he is experiencing right now but the bottom line is that he did something that he knew was against the rules and is now feeling the repercussions of it. End of Story. The only thing he can do probably at this point is to learn from his mistakes and move forward with his poker career. Obviously he is an outstanding poker player so he shouldnt have any problem making money.......
I wish you the best in getting through this JJ.
Tilt
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Nobody's perfect, and we all make mistakes as human beings...obv. Temptation, and the lines between what's right and wrong can definitely become blurred at times. Thank you for your thorough, and honest response. You're an excellent poker player, and I wish you nothing but success in the future. Again, we all make mistakes...and I hope this can be considered a lesson for us all. Don't get too down over this...life definitely goes on man.
Pet Monster
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oakes
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02-17-2006 9:04 PM
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I don't know anyone here on this site from a hole in the wall...and trust me..I don't kiss anyone's ass here....but give the kid some credit.....he could've hid from the forum and posted under a different name, but he didn't. He gave his side of the story, and yes it sucks, but at least give him credit for publicly admitting his guilt!!!
PM me if you want to flame!!
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Well lets hope this sends out a message to all your "friends" who multi account..
Yes 140k is alot of money to lose JJ but after you where busted out the first time that 140k wasnt yours to lose a 2nd time, think of all the other guys who payed the entry fee you must see it from their point of view it is only fair that the money goes back into the original prize pool.
It is obvious that you are a very talented poker player im sure over the years you will win back this money legit...
nikpmub
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You made a huge mistake and i hope you learn from it. I'm sure that $140k lost will definately haunt you in the future if you ever think of doing it again. Anyways, best of luck in the future.
RAIL LENNY
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