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CarbonPoker · Full Tilt · Cake Poker · PokerStars · Ultimate Bet · Players Only · Bodog
Alright, so here it is.
The account 'ABlackCar' was not made for multi-accounting. It was intentionally made for my grandma for her birthday present. However, it was never given to her. So, I had an extra account. Yes, I multi-tabled. Yes, it is incredibly easy. Yes, many people do it was . You really have no idea about the situation.
About 2 months ago, I thought it was just a really bad idea like everyone else. A lot of my friends did it, and i always gave them a hard time for it. But, I had a conversation with a player where we decided it would be a lot of +EV to not be known when you are playing MTTs. So, basically, I had a spare account with tons of +EV in it. So many poeple did it with no reprocautions. I know someone who had over 10 accounts in a recent million guaranteed. Party has no idea.
So, back to the day of the win. When there was about 30 left, I started telling all these people I was in. I was too much caught up in the moment, and it was a really stupid thing to do in hindsight. It slipped out, and everyone knew. The account was in the name of my grandma, and it was intended for her to play in, so that was the easiest excuse for me. I apologize for lieing to everyone. I really do. When such a large amount of money is on the line, it's really tough to be loyal to morals.
The next morning, both accounts were close. Today, they took away all the money. The roughly 40k in JJProdigy, and the 140k in ABlackCar. The following is what I was e-mailed by Party:
Josh,
The PartyPoker.com investigations team opened an investigation on accounts JJProdigy and ABlackCar relating to suspicious activities during the February 12th $500K Guaranteed Tournament. The investigation was initially triggered by the investigations team as a result of a ýcommon informationý alert, IP and computer. Although the investigation was initiated internally, customer service began receiving complaints/concerns regarding this situation starting on February 13th.
With this investigation, the complaints and alerts pointed to multiple accounts being played from the same location in the same tournament.
The accounts involved in the investigation:
Account JJProdgy was created on November 4th, 2004.
Account ABlackCar was created on December 31st, 2005.
Note: The account ABlackCar was not created until December 31st, 2005, therefore all previous data was not used in the investigation unless found to be relevant.
When investigating the location of where an account is played from, there are two identifying factors that are taken into account.
A specific computer is traced by a unique computer identification number.
An Internet Protocol (IP) address is the address that an internet service provider uses to identify and trace the location of a computer.
From December 31st, 2005 until February 11th, both accounts only used the IP address xxxxxxx, which traces to xxxxxx, CA. Both accounts only used a computer with the same identifier. These are referred to as the xxxxxx IP and computer.
Account ABlackCar was created from the Home IP and computer on December 31st, 2005. On dates of January 1st, 3rd, 5th, 15th and February 6th, 7th and 9th ABlackCar logged into the Home IP and computer and registered and played in a total of nine tournaments. All of these tournaments had a buy-in of $100 or more.
Account JJProdigy was logged into from the Home IP and computer on the same dates and registered and played in the same tournaments.
Both of these accounts were played from the same computer and the same IP address in the same tournaments.
The tournament in question took placed on February 12th. At 13:54 ET account JJProdigy logged into a different computer, but from the Home IP, and registered for the $500k Guaranteed Tournament. That account then logged out and back in on the Home computer at 15:18. $215 was transferred to account ABlackCar at 15:27. At 15:32 account ABlackCar logged onto the Home IP and computer and registered for the same $500k Tournament.
Both accounts started playing the $500k Tournament from the Home IP and computer.
Summary:
This indisputable evidence led to the conclusion that both accounts had played several tournaments together from the same computer located in the same location.
Account ABlackCar, although registered in a different name, is believed to have been created with the sole intention of playing multiple accounts in the same tournaments. Both accounts were consistently logged into at the same time and show a consistent pattern of being played by the same person.
Conclusion:
A decision has been made, in consultation with the Poker Room Manager, Legal and Management, to close both accounts and confiscate all funds. Funds gathered by this deception will be refunded to the players that were affected.
Regards,
Francis Hamilton,
Investigations Team
alerts@PartyPoker.com
PartyPoker.com
The next one is:
Although we did not need such admission given the overwhelming evidence of cheating that you provided to me, Mr Fields’ admission certainly helps us feel even more confident that we have taken the right action. Mr Field’s assertion that this is permitted is completely untrue. Term 5 of our terms and conditions states:
5. True Identity and One Account.
The name on your Account must match your true and legal name and identity and the name on your PartyPoker.com Account registration must match the name on the credit card(s) or other payment accounts used to deposit or receive monies in your Account. You are prohibited from holding more than one Account at PartyPoker.com.
This means that Mr Field is in breach of our terms and conditions by holding more than one account in different names. This term is included in our terms and conditions to prevent player cheating and fraud.
Furthermore, our terms also state (relevant sections highlighted in blue):
“6. Rules and Procedures of the Games.
You must play the Games pursuant to the generally accepted casino and poker rules set out in the Game Rules section, and the procedures specifically set out in the, the Games Section of the PartyPoker.com website, including but not limited to How to Play, Table Stakes, Tournaments, Tournament Rules, Poker Etiquette section and any other page on PartyPoker.com that specifically relates to and governs any particular event, game or tournament.
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19. Fraudulent Activities and Prohibited Transactions.
The Company has a zero tolerance policy towards inappropriate play and fraudulent activity. If, in the Company's sole determination, you are found to have cheated or attempted to defraud the Company or any other user of any of the Games in any way including but not limited to game manipulation or payment fraud, or if the Company suspects you of fraudulent payment, including use of stolen credit cards, or any other fraudulent activity (including any chargeback or other reversal of a payment) or prohibited transaction (including money laundering), the Company reserve’s the right to suspend and/or close your Account and to share this information (together with your identity) to other online gaming sites, banks, credit card companies, and appropriate agencies.
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21. Forfeiture & Account Closure.
21.1 THE COMPANY RESERVES THE RIGHT, IN ITS UNFETTERED DISCRETION AND IN RELATION TO YOUR ACCOUNT, ANY RELATED ESP ACCOUNT, ANY ACCOUNTS YOU MAY HAVE WITH OTHER SITES AND/OR CASINOS AND/OR SERVICES OWNED OR OPERATED BY OR ON BEHALF OF THE COMPANY AND ANY SERVICES THAT SHARE THE SHARED GAME/TABLE PLATFORM, TO WITHHOLD YOUR ACCOUNT BALANCE, SUSPEND YOUR ACCOUNT, AND RECOVER ANY PAY-OUTS, BONUSES AND WINNINGS IF:
(i) You are in breach of any term of this Agreement;
(ii) The Company should become aware that you have played at any other online gaming site or services and are suspected of fraud, collusion or unlawful or improper activity;
(iii) You have "charged back" or denied any of the purchases or deposits that you made to your Account;
(iv) If you become bankrupt or analogous proceedings occur anywhere in the world.
21.2 If after a Security Review (see section 20 above) has been performed you have either:
(i) Been found not to have been in compliance with this Agreement; or
(ii) Not provided responses satisfactory to Company in its sole discretion within any reasonable timeframe specified in a security review request or (where none has been specified 30 days from the sending or making of the request); then ANY WITHHELD ACCOUNT BALANCES WILL BE DEEMED FORFEITED AND YOUR ACCOUNT CLOSED.”
In this case we should also remind Mr Field that his behaviour is both against our terms and conditions and against generally accepted casino and poker rules (which are incorporated by reference in clause 6) and which are there to protect both him and our other players. His actions leave us with no other options given our zero tolerance policy to cheating and unfair practices.
Regards
Legal Affairs
What I did was wrong. I shouldn't have been doing it in the first place. It made me lie and cheat to people and a community I know and trust. I feel terrible about it, but there isn't much I can do about it now.
Adam and Cal have handled this very well, and I thank them a ton.
***m not sure where I move on from here. I am contimplating legal action, but I won't go too much further into that.
(I am saying this more about the 40k than the 140k. They deserve to take away the 140k from me, and I compliment them that they were able to make such a bold move. However, I doubt anything will come with it. I typed this swiftly, and was somewhat still hoping I would be able to get some of teh money back, which i do not deserve.)
Thanks for all the supports through this whole ordeal. I really do appeciate it.
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Thanks for stepping up with the apology JJ.
Shame so many in poker have so little class.
How bout we find something else to discuss...like poker maybe?
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In todays society which, in some areas, is growing ever more liberal, Blame is often tried to be placed somewhere else.
The bottom line in this case is that rules were knowingly broken. When you break the rules you should know there could be punishments. This applies to everything in life, not just poker or online poker.
The person who breaks the rules must be able to handle the punishments that are dealt regardless of their severity. "do the crime, do the time".
In this case 180,000$ is given back to Party Poker, and that is the result of the actions taken by the "cheater".
To try and justify the cheating in this case is absurd. Any level headed person should realize that the "cheater" losing the tournament winnings and the money in the accounts is perfectly justafiable and to try and place blame on Party Poker or anything else is insane.
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Much respect here. You seem to be acknowledging the wrong you did here and understand why Party took the 140K back.
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Thanks for being honest JJ. A lot of people appreciate it.
To the people STILL hating on JJ- GFY
Give it a rest. Guy just lost 40k THAT HE EARNED HIMSELF and you still have to flame. He came out with the truth and he apologized. In the real world that means something.
Stop looking at the $$$ figures and look at what else JJ said, and what other well known players have mentioned- A lot of people are multi-accounting, and as JJ said more than just a few accts.
What will stop this? 1st is PP and other sites need to feel the desire from their customers(make them afraid they will lose players/$$$) that tournaments need to be protected better from this. Stop playing at sites where you feel this is an issue. JJ played around 12 tournaments with these two accounts. there are people out there doing this every day. Sites need to recognize the need to crack down on these players. Because while it might stop some from starting, it will only make these cheaters more cautious now. I am sure there is the technology out there to stop this, or at least make it sooo difficult that it will not be worth it- but the sites don't want to spend money on this. We as players need to show them that we require them to actively prevent their games, not just confiscate someone's money when a few thousand players hear he had 2 accounts.
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This is my first response to any of the JJ threads that have been somewhat polluting our forum here. However, JJ i can respect that u now and i even think then (when you where "cheating") recognize that what u were doing was wrong, plain and simple. Your being a man about it and explaining yourself and your regrets. That is a big thing for a young guy to do and u should be commended for it. What u should do now??? If u can get back out there (not sure how many or if any poker sites are banning you) and make that 180K back, your ability will allow u to do that in the future, within the rules, u are definetily a young poker mind that can accomplish that. In my opinion(may not be worth much) your welcome back to this forum because of your actions in stepping up to the plate....sorry for your lose, but now after this, no where to go but back up.......
johns05
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Well this thing will probably hit the news this weekend or early next week anyway. Probably along the lines of "Youth loses $180000 when Online poker site confiscates his winnings" and being ignorant about how Online poker really works they will get half the details wrong. The juicy story is about how the young and innocent dabble at Internet gambling and gets screwed on lots of money, right?
Then that story get picked up by a newfeed like "Reuters" and Hello world wide coverage!
The shitstorm this stirs up by worried parents then spills into the "Online Gambling Prohibition Act" debate...
Who knows...JJ may end up telling his story on 60 minutes...
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listen...ive played many many times with jj under this name and katelynsdad (which i changed around 6 or 7 months ago) and respect him as a vg player.
however, i cannot understand the "stupidity" in which a highly respected player used in this situation. he blatatnly cheated and got caught. i dont see non-cheaters apologizing for getting away with things. when they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar--then their sorry.
now ive played on party for about 3 years...and I KNOW that some players were multi-tabling the higher end sng's--playing 2 accounts at the same tbls. i caught wind of this (players will remain nameless--some very highly respected ones though) thru a conversation at one of the tbls in which a player wondered why when one was in the pot the other wasnt. ALL THE TIME.
also..just because a person admits to something, doesnt mean a helluva lot. if i just raped someone and was caught AND apologized for it...does the apology make me a better person?? this sort of thing opens doors in my mind to maybe a HELLUVA lot of other players are doing this (more than we probably could imagine) and why they are so successful.
in my mind if a player is that good--u dont need to be cheating....i feel bad but justice was served. like one other poster said..if u go lenient with the guy than u might as well shut down your site. and BTW i just found out about this while playing the friday special--lol--knocked out in 27th place when my kk ran into a2.
good ole ace magnets.
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he never denied it? what are you smoking. In this thread, he ADMITTED that he was lying before
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This is like finding out lebron james is on steroids. i have played against JJprodigy many times and he is for real. I don't look down on him for what he did because i have never thought about multi accounting. When i found out about poker tracker i bought it for the advantage. When i found out about Poker Ace i bought it so i can the people numbers right under their names. If i would have heard about this or thought about it sooner then i could be in the same predicament. I highly respect what i did and I really think it was your only option. GL in the future JJ.
Rags
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Definitely agree with Fox's post ^^ I mean if Party cant detect this after nine tournaments then I doubt they even internally detected it once they did. Trillion dollar company with softer security than hotmail. Makes you wonder if any of the rake is even invested back into the site. They obv spent alot of money on the new upgrade but how bout steppin up the security!
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For what its worth, youre a good man charlie brown.
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Swingy
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02-18-2006 9:05 AM
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I applaud your contritness, humility, and honesty. Anyone who is still Hatin after reading this is s Joke. Anyone can make a mistake and get caught, but not just anyone can own up to it the way that you have here. May good things happen to you bro, Peace.
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YEah what a great idea. Hire a lawyer to defend you for doing something that is illegal in this country.
Please, whatever your feelings on this issue is, he has NO reprecussions. We are all subject to the sites whims, see UB and pokershare, if you live in the US.
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So let me get this str8. WHen your on a wireless network and your hole family is nuts, which my family plays online quite a bit. we never win but thats besides the point. Since we are all on the same network. Lets say i bust out early in a tourney but my brother is still in not on the same computer but on his laptop? ISnt this something that would draw a flag, because they can still tell what computer is being used, and it is on the same network. I would just like to here what some of you have to say about this situation? Please reply.
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Good Luck to you JJ. Now go pull a PaperBoy move and win PokerStars $750k tomorrow.
What you did was wrong and you admit it. this shows maturity beyoned your years.
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