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Alright, so here it is.
The account 'ABlackCar' was not made for multi-accounting. It was intentionally made for my grandma for her birthday present. However, it was never given to her. So, I had an extra account. Yes, I multi-tabled. Yes, it is incredibly easy. Yes, many people do it was . You really have no idea about the situation.
About 2 months ago, I thought it was just a really bad idea like everyone else. A lot of my friends did it, and i always gave them a hard time for it. But, I had a conversation with a player where we decided it would be a lot of +EV to not be known when you are playing MTTs. So, basically, I had a spare account with tons of +EV in it. So many poeple did it with no reprocautions. I know someone who had over 10 accounts in a recent million guaranteed. Party has no idea.
So, back to the day of the win. When there was about 30 left, I started telling all these people I was in. I was too much caught up in the moment, and it was a really stupid thing to do in hindsight. It slipped out, and everyone knew. The account was in the name of my grandma, and it was intended for her to play in, so that was the easiest excuse for me. I apologize for lieing to everyone. I really do. When such a large amount of money is on the line, it's really tough to be loyal to morals.
The next morning, both accounts were close. Today, they took away all the money. The roughly 40k in JJProdigy, and the 140k in ABlackCar. The following is what I was e-mailed by Party:
Josh,
The PartyPoker.com investigations team opened an investigation on accounts JJProdigy and ABlackCar relating to suspicious activities during the February 12th $500K Guaranteed Tournament. The investigation was initially triggered by the investigations team as a result of a ýcommon informationý alert, IP and computer. Although the investigation was initiated internally, customer service began receiving complaints/concerns regarding this situation starting on February 13th.
With this investigation, the complaints and alerts pointed to multiple accounts being played from the same location in the same tournament.
The accounts involved in the investigation:
Account JJProdgy was created on November 4th, 2004.
Account ABlackCar was created on December 31st, 2005.
Note: The account ABlackCar was not created until December 31st, 2005, therefore all previous data was not used in the investigation unless found to be relevant.
When investigating the location of where an account is played from, there are two identifying factors that are taken into account.
A specific computer is traced by a unique computer identification number.
An Internet Protocol (IP) address is the address that an internet service provider uses to identify and trace the location of a computer.
From December 31st, 2005 until February 11th, both accounts only used the IP address xxxxxxx, which traces to xxxxxx, CA. Both accounts only used a computer with the same identifier. These are referred to as the xxxxxx IP and computer.
Account ABlackCar was created from the Home IP and computer on December 31st, 2005. On dates of January 1st, 3rd, 5th, 15th and February 6th, 7th and 9th ABlackCar logged into the Home IP and computer and registered and played in a total of nine tournaments. All of these tournaments had a buy-in of $100 or more.
Account JJProdigy was logged into from the Home IP and computer on the same dates and registered and played in the same tournaments.
Both of these accounts were played from the same computer and the same IP address in the same tournaments.
The tournament in question took placed on February 12th. At 13:54 ET account JJProdigy logged into a different computer, but from the Home IP, and registered for the $500k Guaranteed Tournament. That account then logged out and back in on the Home computer at 15:18. $215 was transferred to account ABlackCar at 15:27. At 15:32 account ABlackCar logged onto the Home IP and computer and registered for the same $500k Tournament.
Both accounts started playing the $500k Tournament from the Home IP and computer.
Summary:
This indisputable evidence led to the conclusion that both accounts had played several tournaments together from the same computer located in the same location.
Account ABlackCar, although registered in a different name, is believed to have been created with the sole intention of playing multiple accounts in the same tournaments. Both accounts were consistently logged into at the same time and show a consistent pattern of being played by the same person.
Conclusion:
A decision has been made, in consultation with the Poker Room Manager, Legal and Management, to close both accounts and confiscate all funds. Funds gathered by this deception will be refunded to the players that were affected.
Regards,
Francis Hamilton,
Investigations Team
alerts@PartyPoker.com
PartyPoker.com
The next one is:
Although we did not need such admission given the overwhelming evidence of cheating that you provided to me, Mr Fields’ admission certainly helps us feel even more confident that we have taken the right action. Mr Field’s assertion that this is permitted is completely untrue. Term 5 of our terms and conditions states:
5. True Identity and One Account.
The name on your Account must match your true and legal name and identity and the name on your PartyPoker.com Account registration must match the name on the credit card(s) or other payment accounts used to deposit or receive monies in your Account. You are prohibited from holding more than one Account at PartyPoker.com.
This means that Mr Field is in breach of our terms and conditions by holding more than one account in different names. This term is included in our terms and conditions to prevent player cheating and fraud.
Furthermore, our terms also state (relevant sections highlighted in blue):
“6. Rules and Procedures of the Games.
You must play the Games pursuant to the generally accepted casino and poker rules set out in the Game Rules section, and the procedures specifically set out in the, the Games Section of the PartyPoker.com website, including but not limited to How to Play, Table Stakes, Tournaments, Tournament Rules, Poker Etiquette section and any other page on PartyPoker.com that specifically relates to and governs any particular event, game or tournament.
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19. Fraudulent Activities and Prohibited Transactions.
The Company has a zero tolerance policy towards inappropriate play and fraudulent activity. If, in the Company's sole determination, you are found to have cheated or attempted to defraud the Company or any other user of any of the Games in any way including but not limited to game manipulation or payment fraud, or if the Company suspects you of fraudulent payment, including use of stolen credit cards, or any other fraudulent activity (including any chargeback or other reversal of a payment) or prohibited transaction (including money laundering), the Company reserve’s the right to suspend and/or close your Account and to share this information (together with your identity) to other online gaming sites, banks, credit card companies, and appropriate agencies.
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21. Forfeiture & Account Closure.
21.1 THE COMPANY RESERVES THE RIGHT, IN ITS UNFETTERED DISCRETION AND IN RELATION TO YOUR ACCOUNT, ANY RELATED ESP ACCOUNT, ANY ACCOUNTS YOU MAY HAVE WITH OTHER SITES AND/OR CASINOS AND/OR SERVICES OWNED OR OPERATED BY OR ON BEHALF OF THE COMPANY AND ANY SERVICES THAT SHARE THE SHARED GAME/TABLE PLATFORM, TO WITHHOLD YOUR ACCOUNT BALANCE, SUSPEND YOUR ACCOUNT, AND RECOVER ANY PAY-OUTS, BONUSES AND WINNINGS IF:
(i) You are in breach of any term of this Agreement;
(ii) The Company should become aware that you have played at any other online gaming site or services and are suspected of fraud, collusion or unlawful or improper activity;
(iii) You have "charged back" or denied any of the purchases or deposits that you made to your Account;
(iv) If you become bankrupt or analogous proceedings occur anywhere in the world.
21.2 If after a Security Review (see section 20 above) has been performed you have either:
(i) Been found not to have been in compliance with this Agreement; or
(ii) Not provided responses satisfactory to Company in its sole discretion within any reasonable timeframe specified in a security review request or (where none has been specified 30 days from the sending or making of the request); then ANY WITHHELD ACCOUNT BALANCES WILL BE DEEMED FORFEITED AND YOUR ACCOUNT CLOSED.”
In this case we should also remind Mr Field that his behaviour is both against our terms and conditions and against generally accepted casino and poker rules (which are incorporated by reference in clause 6) and which are there to protect both him and our other players. His actions leave us with no other options given our zero tolerance policy to cheating and unfair practices.
Regards
Legal Affairs
What I did was wrong. I shouldn't have been doing it in the first place. It made me lie and cheat to people and a community I know and trust. I feel terrible about it, but there isn't much I can do about it now.
Adam and Cal have handled this very well, and I thank them a ton.
***m not sure where I move on from here. I am contimplating legal action, but I won't go too much further into that.
(I am saying this more about the 40k than the 140k. They deserve to take away the 140k from me, and I compliment them that they were able to make such a bold move. However, I doubt anything will come with it. I typed this swiftly, and was somewhat still hoping I would be able to get some of teh money back, which i do not deserve.)
Thanks for all the supports through this whole ordeal. I really do appeciate it.
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I can not believe that the money was transferred directly from JJProdigy account.
I find that almost as hard to believe as the fact that both accounts played the same tourney of >$100 on the exact same computer 9 different times.
Did you want to get caught?
How can you make soo many damn amazing decisions at the poker tables, under pressure, then make a mistake as amateur as this?
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Thank you for this post JJ. We have never met but I respect all the ranked players. I had mixed feelings about all the posts about this issue. I also have heard of others doing the same thing and think it is unfair to us newbies trying to learn. We all make mistakes and learn from them and move on. I hope to see you at the tables on UB....GL at the tables!
Ps....I think it sucks that they confiscated all of the money you had on PP!
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Ztrain
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02-17-2006 9:07 PM
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This would have been an awesome post if after the part you admitted that you know what you did was wrong and you were sorry you did it and lied to the community, etc, you stated that you would accept the consequences of your behavior. Instead you say your thinking of taking legal action!?!
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I HATE SNITCHES!!!!!!!!!!
P.S.
What do you think gbmantis feels like right now? He cost his friend ONE HUNDRED FOURTY FUCKING THOUSAND DOLLARS!!! He must feel like a piece of shit. I always thought good friends bought you a beer at the bar or played wingman and helped you get pussy, not cost you 140K, at least that's what my friends do.
GG gbmantis as a friend!
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dd
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02-17-2006 9:09 PM
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JJProdigy, thanks for the honesty.
You got the skills that I can only dream of. (One day I hope to get there...)
Lesson learned, you paid the price.
Bounce back, play your game elsewhere, and keep on keepin on.
Good luck,
Steve
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R P L
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02-17-2006 9:09 PM
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Agreed Oakes. He had no reason to provide this pit of vipers any explaniation but he did. Pretty stand up of him - and he never denied it in the first place. What that tells me is that a LOT of people do it, and I hope this helps the sites get a handle on this whole multi account situation.
Thanks JJ.
Randy
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R P L
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02-17-2006 9:10 PM
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I'm think the legal action is for the other 40 THOUSAND DOLLARS they took from his JJ account.
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lol he can't really take legal action, when he signed up, he agreed to the terms and conditions to the site, which clearly state what will happen if what happened happens.
but, gl JJ
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To edit on the legal action:
(I am saying this more about the 40k than the 140k. They deserve to take away the 140k from me, and I compliment them that they were able to make such a bold move. However, I doubt anything will come with it. I typed this swiftly, and was somewhat still hoping I would be able to get some of teh money back, which i do not deserve.)
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"I HATE SNITCHES!!!!!!!!!!
P.S.
Get
lawyer for this and work it out through the legal systems. Dead serious
contact all poker magazines and all poker sites and tell them the
stories and do interviews. Tell them how you are a ranked player and
extremely popular too. Create alot of negative press for Party and
take them to court. Right now with all the ban on internet going on,
the last thing they will want is negative press. Jump on this now and
you will get your $ back. Don't let them do this to you."
That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. If
anything him telling his story would be positive PR for Party.
~Justin
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I nominate this (^^^) for Idiot Post of the Year
edit- i'm referring to pokah's post obvs
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Fox
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02-17-2006 9:15 PM
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Thanks for posting that JJ, it answers a lot of questions for many of us, and I appreciate your standing up and admitting you did it and telling us about it. The real problem is taht so many people are doing it and Party isn't catching them. That is disturbing. Basically they only caught you because it became public knowledge or you could have had tons of accounts like the people you talk about.
The confiscation may cut down some people's interest in multi-account play, but many others will continue to do it and Party doesn't seem to be doing much to catch it.
I may not play any more higher buy-in tourneys on PArty until they find a way to catch people. If their software doesn't detect that someone is playing on the smae computer with two accounts what does it do? No security at all? That should have been a very easy thing to detect and they basically stumbled upon it or they may never have caught you.
How many people are doing this? Party's tourneys are seriously -EV if lots of people are playing on many accounts.
JJ I think the members of the community who were hard on you would be more forgiving if you helped us try to solve this problem. Write something up about how many people you estimate are doing this sort of thing on Party, and whether you know if it is harder to do at other sites. Let us know where the software catches things like this if you know, and what sites are the easiest to do it on so we can avoid them.
I know you don't owe us a thing, but it would be a nice gesture for sure. You're too solid a player to fall apart after this, just get back up, lesson learned, and play some cards.
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I give you credit for posting this. I disagree terribly with what
you did and feel the consequences are justified. Obviously,
because other people are doing it doesnt make it right.
I hope you have learned from this and I don't wish you any ill will
personally. I also hope that the poker sites will step up their
vigilance to make it tougher for others to cheat.
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Actually he cost him 180k not 140k.
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How would you feel if you were at the WSOP and Ivey entered 5 times,doyle 5 times,etc etc..and each time they lost they just went and played at the new spot?....its a 10,000$ event but to them its like a cpl hundred...to a qualifier its a chance in a lifetime,...same as the 500k to JJ big deal 200 bux ppfffftt sign em up 10 times,...but to a qualifier,,a player that is low end that maybe looks up to JJ for his skills....its a slap in the fucking face.
Sure Party was harsh as a motherfucker here...take 1/2 bump him down to 10th place....but take it all?
I honestly could care less here,..didnt play in it and hate party...but to those defending him ...its bullshit,...deep down they know its wrong or they do it themselves and are trying to justify it.
For a Player of JJ's calibre its a smack in the face of those that like how he plays and respect him
makes you wonder if him winning the TLB in august was actually ALL him.
Also its funny to me that none of the top ranked players are commenting(besides gank)
are they all doing it?
F online play
I am going to do this shit myself,...why miss the bandwagon if everyone else is on it
I feel foolish for entering multis with only 1 account,...esp on dise ,...shit I can play the atlantic (draws 60 plyrs) with 2-3 accounts i will prolly easily make a same table with 1 of my aliases and dump chips,...easy,...and prolly being done...this is completely a disgrace....how can anyone feel safe playing anymore.....who the fuck knows whats going on
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