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Alright, so here it is.
The account 'ABlackCar' was not made for multi-accounting. It was intentionally made for my grandma for her birthday present. However, it was never given to her. So, I had an extra account. Yes, I multi-tabled. Yes, it is incredibly easy. Yes, many people do it was . You really have no idea about the situation.
About 2 months ago, I thought it was just a really bad idea like everyone else. A lot of my friends did it, and i always gave them a hard time for it. But, I had a conversation with a player where we decided it would be a lot of +EV to not be known when you are playing MTTs. So, basically, I had a spare account with tons of +EV in it. So many poeple did it with no reprocautions. I know someone who had over 10 accounts in a recent million guaranteed. Party has no idea.
So, back to the day of the win. When there was about 30 left, I started telling all these people I was in. I was too much caught up in the moment, and it was a really stupid thing to do in hindsight. It slipped out, and everyone knew. The account was in the name of my grandma, and it was intended for her to play in, so that was the easiest excuse for me. I apologize for lieing to everyone. I really do. When such a large amount of money is on the line, it's really tough to be loyal to morals.
The next morning, both accounts were close. Today, they took away all the money. The roughly 40k in JJProdigy, and the 140k in ABlackCar. The following is what I was e-mailed by Party:
Josh,
The PartyPoker.com investigations team opened an investigation on accounts JJProdigy and ABlackCar relating to suspicious activities during the February 12th $500K Guaranteed Tournament. The investigation was initially triggered by the investigations team as a result of a ýcommon informationý alert, IP and computer. Although the investigation was initiated internally, customer service began receiving complaints/concerns regarding this situation starting on February 13th.
With this investigation, the complaints and alerts pointed to multiple accounts being played from the same location in the same tournament.
The accounts involved in the investigation:
Account JJProdgy was created on November 4th, 2004.
Account ABlackCar was created on December 31st, 2005.
Note: The account ABlackCar was not created until December 31st, 2005, therefore all previous data was not used in the investigation unless found to be relevant.
When investigating the location of where an account is played from, there are two identifying factors that are taken into account.
A specific computer is traced by a unique computer identification number.
An Internet Protocol (IP) address is the address that an internet service provider uses to identify and trace the location of a computer.
From December 31st, 2005 until February 11th, both accounts only used the IP address xxxxxxx, which traces to xxxxxx, CA. Both accounts only used a computer with the same identifier. These are referred to as the xxxxxx IP and computer.
Account ABlackCar was created from the Home IP and computer on December 31st, 2005. On dates of January 1st, 3rd, 5th, 15th and February 6th, 7th and 9th ABlackCar logged into the Home IP and computer and registered and played in a total of nine tournaments. All of these tournaments had a buy-in of $100 or more.
Account JJProdigy was logged into from the Home IP and computer on the same dates and registered and played in the same tournaments.
Both of these accounts were played from the same computer and the same IP address in the same tournaments.
The tournament in question took placed on February 12th. At 13:54 ET account JJProdigy logged into a different computer, but from the Home IP, and registered for the $500k Guaranteed Tournament. That account then logged out and back in on the Home computer at 15:18. $215 was transferred to account ABlackCar at 15:27. At 15:32 account ABlackCar logged onto the Home IP and computer and registered for the same $500k Tournament.
Both accounts started playing the $500k Tournament from the Home IP and computer.
Summary:
This indisputable evidence led to the conclusion that both accounts had played several tournaments together from the same computer located in the same location.
Account ABlackCar, although registered in a different name, is believed to have been created with the sole intention of playing multiple accounts in the same tournaments. Both accounts were consistently logged into at the same time and show a consistent pattern of being played by the same person.
Conclusion:
A decision has been made, in consultation with the Poker Room Manager, Legal and Management, to close both accounts and confiscate all funds. Funds gathered by this deception will be refunded to the players that were affected.
Regards,
Francis Hamilton,
Investigations Team
alerts@PartyPoker.com
PartyPoker.com
The next one is:
Although we did not need such admission given the overwhelming evidence of cheating that you provided to me, Mr Fields’ admission certainly helps us feel even more confident that we have taken the right action. Mr Field’s assertion that this is permitted is completely untrue. Term 5 of our terms and conditions states:
5. True Identity and One Account.
The name on your Account must match your true and legal name and identity and the name on your PartyPoker.com Account registration must match the name on the credit card(s) or other payment accounts used to deposit or receive monies in your Account. You are prohibited from holding more than one Account at PartyPoker.com.
This means that Mr Field is in breach of our terms and conditions by holding more than one account in different names. This term is included in our terms and conditions to prevent player cheating and fraud.
Furthermore, our terms also state (relevant sections highlighted in blue):
“6. Rules and Procedures of the Games.
You must play the Games pursuant to the generally accepted casino and poker rules set out in the Game Rules section, and the procedures specifically set out in the, the Games Section of the PartyPoker.com website, including but not limited to How to Play, Table Stakes, Tournaments, Tournament Rules, Poker Etiquette section and any other page on PartyPoker.com that specifically relates to and governs any particular event, game or tournament.
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19. Fraudulent Activities and Prohibited Transactions.
The Company has a zero tolerance policy towards inappropriate play and fraudulent activity. If, in the Company's sole determination, you are found to have cheated or attempted to defraud the Company or any other user of any of the Games in any way including but not limited to game manipulation or payment fraud, or if the Company suspects you of fraudulent payment, including use of stolen credit cards, or any other fraudulent activity (including any chargeback or other reversal of a payment) or prohibited transaction (including money laundering), the Company reserve’s the right to suspend and/or close your Account and to share this information (together with your identity) to other online gaming sites, banks, credit card companies, and appropriate agencies.
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21. Forfeiture & Account Closure.
21.1 THE COMPANY RESERVES THE RIGHT, IN ITS UNFETTERED DISCRETION AND IN RELATION TO YOUR ACCOUNT, ANY RELATED ESP ACCOUNT, ANY ACCOUNTS YOU MAY HAVE WITH OTHER SITES AND/OR CASINOS AND/OR SERVICES OWNED OR OPERATED BY OR ON BEHALF OF THE COMPANY AND ANY SERVICES THAT SHARE THE SHARED GAME/TABLE PLATFORM, TO WITHHOLD YOUR ACCOUNT BALANCE, SUSPEND YOUR ACCOUNT, AND RECOVER ANY PAY-OUTS, BONUSES AND WINNINGS IF:
(i) You are in breach of any term of this Agreement;
(ii) The Company should become aware that you have played at any other online gaming site or services and are suspected of fraud, collusion or unlawful or improper activity;
(iii) You have "charged back" or denied any of the purchases or deposits that you made to your Account;
(iv) If you become bankrupt or analogous proceedings occur anywhere in the world.
21.2 If after a Security Review (see section 20 above) has been performed you have either:
(i) Been found not to have been in compliance with this Agreement; or
(ii) Not provided responses satisfactory to Company in its sole discretion within any reasonable timeframe specified in a security review request or (where none has been specified 30 days from the sending or making of the request); then ANY WITHHELD ACCOUNT BALANCES WILL BE DEEMED FORFEITED AND YOUR ACCOUNT CLOSED.”
In this case we should also remind Mr Field that his behaviour is both against our terms and conditions and against generally accepted casino and poker rules (which are incorporated by reference in clause 6) and which are there to protect both him and our other players. His actions leave us with no other options given our zero tolerance policy to cheating and unfair practices.
Regards
Legal Affairs
What I did was wrong. I shouldn't have been doing it in the first place. It made me lie and cheat to people and a community I know and trust. I feel terrible about it, but there isn't much I can do about it now.
Adam and Cal have handled this very well, and I thank them a ton.
***m not sure where I move on from here. I am contimplating legal action, but I won't go too much further into that.
(I am saying this more about the 40k than the 140k. They deserve to take away the 140k from me, and I compliment them that they were able to make such a bold move. However, I doubt anything will come with it. I typed this swiftly, and was somewhat still hoping I would be able to get some of teh money back, which i do not deserve.)
Thanks for all the supports through this whole ordeal. I really do appeciate it.
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McG
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02-17-2006 9:26 PM
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Since you r considering legal action, you really should not be commenting on this situation anymore.
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what a crock--I don't really see where U had a HUGE advantage. Party should cough up the cash and ban you for 1 year. Write I book entittled "how I got robbed 140k by some billionaires"
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This is my first post after being a member for ?? 6 months. I should have picked a better spot, but this bugs me.
18 months ago I didn't even know what Texas holdem was. Now I am finally have enough confidence in my game to think about playing in some sat. tournaments to give one of the big tournaments a shot. Not anymore. AND it just keeps getting better. I quote JJ " Yes, many people do it. A lot of my friends did it. I know somone who had 10 accounts in a recent million gauranteed." Sorry JJ and everyone, but that is fucking sad. JJ I don't know if you realize how much this may mean to many lower level players. I don't feel bad at all they took the money. IF U DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WAS A POSSIBILITY, YOU HAVE ZERO STREET SMARTS. IF they don't take the money from you, what does that say to others who have/may try the same thing? I'm not a hayseed, I know cheating goes on. I stupidly assumed that the cheaters had no ethics and would remain for the most part under the radar in ring games. I am surprised that a ranked player(s) would find that necessary, but then again there is a lot of money at stake.
Maybe the bigger tournaments should require a internet camera. On second thought we would probably have to watch leggggy playing the big tournaments in his underwear. MY eyes are burning.
Well let the suspicion begin. Very sad time. I respect all the pros that voiced their opinion. Esp. Gank who offered no spin. And for those of you who think he should get his money back, please chop your hands off so I don't have to read that ridiculous shit anymore. JJ has to live with it himself. I do feel for him. Just goes to show how much one bad decision can fuck your life up. Your young I assume and can use this to help minimize the other FUCKING STUPID ideas you might have, WE ALL do that. By the way for what it is worth I accept your apology and hope you can move on.
How about this for an idea. Give free poker lessons to pocket five members to help make ammends. You can start with me. ;)
Red
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negative press for party??
what is wrong with you?
HE CHEATED....... HE GOT CAUGHT..... THEY TOOK ACTION..........
am i a snitch if i admitted to telling PP about JJ and gave them direct links to his post that said he took over for his grandma?
not that i did ;)
mantis .... lol
seriously JJ hire a lawyer.... lol...... sue PP overseas with a solid corporate legal team for 180k.... legal fees will probably only end up being 100k-150k.... hopefully they settle and you get back 100k....... and then only will be down 50k in lawyer fees .... oh and the 180k on PP.... nevermind...
gg grinding it out at 1/2 lololol
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I ALSO nominate JURULLO's post for IDIOT POST OF THE YEAR. Take PARTY to court? HAHAHA!
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I cant say I feel bad for you JJ. But I will say it takes a lot of guts for you to come forward and post this. I honestly think you know you made a mistake and you feel bad about it. You probably did the same thing many other players are doing. except you got caught. I hope this passes and you continue to post on p5s. You are truly a great player and will bounce back from this Im sure. As others have said, I hope this serves as a wake call for others who are multi accounting.
Gl JJ
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Ztrain
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02-17-2006 9:39 PM
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Thanks for the edit on the legal action JJ. You didn't have to come on here and post your apology and let everyone know exactly what happened behind the scenes. I hope its not just "spin control". I'm gonna take you at your word. Maybe your acknowledging that it was wrong and not just because you were caught will help deter some of the others you mentioned that play up to ten accounts. Anyway, thanks again and GL.
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Please give the man some credit for manning up here... I have nothing but respect for jjprodigy now...
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Now Good Rotten Snitches, sue that no good bastard for turning you in, man you would have gotten away scott free if no one would have ratted you out. Moron Idiots Losers get a clue HE CHEATED.
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How about if you stop giving him bad advise like that. He is doing the right thing and the ONLY thing that can salvage his pokercareer:
He is coming clean and admitting the obvious.
He is not fighting PP on the ruling as he deep down knows its just.
He shows he is willing serve as an example against cheating in all forms.
He knows the 140k is gone and why.
This is a smart move. Most of the public would be satisfied by this and can give JJ as a person a chance to come back into the community and earn back their respect.
For you "Airheads" out there that still cant see he did anything wrong, then at least let him do this properly without any more of the "Fight the assholes" and "Screw Party" warmongering.
JJ has a rare talent for playing poker. An exeptional gift. He could very easily be barred for ever using it again. Not just at Party but at other sites as well in case they share information about know cheaters as the Casinos do. I dare say thats going to cost him alot more then 140k over time.
He will probably always be watched, but this way he has a chance to be forgiven in time. if you push him into fighting them with your feeble arguments like "everyone does it" and "he still played better then all of them and deserve the money", you are going to screw him for life. If you condone his actions, you are simply the minority. Strangely as it seems most pokerplayers are aware of the rules and playes the game straight and fair. There are no gray area.
Poker always had its hard and fast rule:
"If you get caught cheating you leave with no money and the banishment is permanent" . Most of the time you would be lucky if you could even walk away on your own feet.
I used to admire JJ for his skill and really would have wished it had happened to someone less likeable. But maybe if enough time passes and he continues on the right path he can at least be spared banishment and become an advocate for fairness. It would help Online poker and JJ himself alot better then "Screw PP"....
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MKGB
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02-17-2006 9:56 PM
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Everyone should definitely lay off JJ. He admitted he was wrong in multi-accounting, and didn't really understand what he was getting himself into. This could have happened to anyone....in fact, it is. A lot of people use multiple accounts, he mentioned it in his post that a lot of his friends do, and just remember a few days back when several "top players" came out screamin that 'this stuff happens all the time, there's nothing you can do about it, and you're livin in a dream world if you don't think it happens.'
JJ I want to say thanks for being honest w/ the whole thing and admitting a mistake - I wish you well.. I'm not sure if there is a legal case, except maybe w/ the $40k in the JJProdigy account. I don't know why they would confisgate those funds as well, unless they can prove that you gained them while using multiple accounts...Or maybe that is just their way of banning you from the site, I don't know.
I kind of feel like JJ is getting singled out in this process a little bit. Clearly there are kinks in the system but this has happened before. From what I know, I guess PokerStars added the rule about multi-accounting AFTER the Exclusive/El Cap. thing? Other top players have admitted or suggested that they do it as well. Is it a greater good for online poker that Party is putting their foot down and making an example of this case? It is, but also at JJ's expense. Like I said this could have happened to anyone. Point is JJ is getting singled out enough by this circumstance, he doesn't need to keep getting singled out on this forum. A lot of people use multiple accounts, he was just the most recent to be good enough to win a large sum of money doing it. So instead of continually attacking JJ, I think it's important to try to stick to discussing the issue and not just hating.
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gank
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02-17-2006 9:59 PM
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JJ, I accept your apology and appreciate you giving everyone a deeper understanding of the situation through your posts and e-mails.
I hope that anyone who does think about multi accounting is deterred from this situation.
I wish you the best JJ. Brett
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manning up was the only option IMO.
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jsbyun
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02-17-2006 10:07 PM
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JJ, I have the utmost respect for you. You made a mistake that you've owned up to and you've received more than enough punishment, really more than you deserved IMO.
I also agree that you should get your 40K back. I brought this issue up quite a long time ago, but I have a serious problem with online cardrooms having total control over player accounts and being able to confiscate your funds for whatever reason they want. Since the industry is not regulated and the companies are all offshore, we as players have so little recourse to getting our money.
I believe these types of problems will continue in the future and we have no where to go for help.
The $140K they took was severe punishment, but I personally don't see any other option. Taking only half or some other percentage would be impossible, so it was either all of it or nothing.
The one good thing to come out of this, is that future cheating of this type will be seriously deterred. Those who choose to continue doing so, will know for a fact that what they are doing is wrong and if they are caught, they will pay the price. They will have to 'cheat' in secret and be dishonest to everyone around them. Hopefully this will put an end to the 'everyone does it' crap I read and hear about all the time. I doubt people will be bragging about multi-accounts openly from now on. I know cheating will never go away completely, but this definitely helps.
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JJ,
I may never be lucky enough to face you on the tables, but I do hope one day I am good enough to.
We all make mistakes, and many of them cost us in so many different ways, but it takes a real man to stand up and admit when he's done wrong. I stated in a previous post something about talking to someone you admire or respect about their views on the situation, whether or not they agreed it was ok. I questioned your morals. While I don't agree with what you did, you did earn my respect by standing up and admitting what happened and apologizing.
I wish you only the best both in poker, and in life. With the talent you have, combined with following your ethics, you'll once again earn the respect of the entire poker community.
Good luck.
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