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Excluding the donk-type freeroll players which you'd hardly find , isn't poker just a game of luck when everyone is playing just perfectly especially towards later stages of tournaments..
For example, player A on BTN open-raises x3 with pocket 10s and player in SB shoves 6 big blinds with AQo and gets called..flop 267K9...gg AQ...nobody played wrong
I mean where's the edge coming from when everyone is playing just correctly?
I'm asking this because I face such situations towards later stages of tournaments and its just luck most of the time..whether the A misses or hits..thats all
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And exactly what tournaments are you speaking of where everyone plays perfectly? The ones you're in? The ones I'm in?
If you talk to someone like lilholdem or charder, there's plenty of donks and bad play in the Stars 100r, where you or I might think everyone plays "perfectly".
If you're good, and if you're smart, there are always edges to take advantages of. Nobody plays perfectly.
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Find more than 5-10 ppl playing perfect poker...seriously man have you seen how many +money winners there are online?
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And the edge comes in coinflips and having the bigger stack...the edge comes from being able to take sick beats and regain a stack...the edge comes from playing the person, not waiting for AA like me, etc. GBoro isn't ranked #1 and I'm not 100100585774th for a reason, no matter how good he runs.
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zander
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05-14-2009 9:54 PM
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Dood, if you think more than like 5% of players are playing perfectly even remotely close to optimally at the micro-levels, you are seriously missing a lot. Also, something tells me you have ZERO understanding of the sample size required to differentiate good players from great players from weekend warriors from mentally retarded monkeys who somehow have access to a human's credit card.
Given a field of mostly great players, luck plays the larger role than skill in any one given situation. The larger the sample size, however, the cream inevitably rises closer to the top. I think you are having a hard time grasping how big that sample size is though.
I'd say most of the top 100 ranked players here make several mistakes every day. No one plays the game perfectly... and way fewer play the game well than think they play the game well... but if you think it's all luck, you lack one of the fundamentals necessary to win unless your name is Vietcong at poker.
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find one player that is playing perfectly....
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Yeah but where's the edge when I'm shoving 99 and getting called by QA??
There are hardly any donks in the game I play...
ITS ALWAYS A COINFLIP ALL THE TIME...I don't know why
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 zander: | |
Dood, if you think more than like 5% of players are playing perfectly even remotely close to optimally at the micro-levels, you are seriously missing a lot. Also, something tells me you have ZERO understanding of the sample size required to differentiate good players from great players from weekend warriors from mentally retarded monkeys who somehow have access to a human's credit card.
Given a field of mostly great players, luck plays the larger role than skill in any one given situation. The larger the sample size, however, the cream inevitably rises closer to the top. I think you are having a hard time grasping how big that sample size is though.
I'd say most of the top 100 ranked players here make several mistakes every day. No one plays the game perfectly... and way fewer play the game well than think they play the game well... but if you think it's all luck, you lack one of the fundamentals necessary to win unless your name is Vietcong at poker.
NK2 you need to listen to guys like zander and bffhawk...both good players trying to help you, but all your posts seem to be just silliness, and not listening at all to the people trying to help you
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| n2kfactor: | |
Yeah but where's the edge when I'm shoving 99 and getting called by QA??
There are hardly any donks in the game I play...
ITS ALWAYS A COINFLIP ALL THE TIME...I don't know why
sometimes there is nothing u can do, but if most of the time u have applied ur edge in the hands before the coinflip then hopefully u will have more chips than ur opponent and will still be in after the flip, win or lose.
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| n2kfactor: | |
Yeah but where's the edge when I'm shoving 99 and getting called by QA??
There are hardly any donks in the game I play...
ITS ALWAYS A COINFLIP ALL THE TIME...I don't know why
what game is this?
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I don't understand...PXF won't help me either
the only thing I learned from PXF is open shove ATC in SB against <10BB opp.
and yeah, raising some more hands from LP and Cbing etc.etc.
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| n2kfactor: | |
Yeah but where's the edge when I'm shoving 99 and getting called by QA??
There are hardly any donks in the game I play...
ITS ALWAYS A COINFLIP ALL THE TIME...I don't know why
Then fucking quit. Nothing personal, and I'm not trying to be mean - although I sure feel like it.
But people give you advice in every post you make. Good advice. And you seem to listen to none of it. So, you think everyone plays perfectly...but are looking to call them donks anyway....
I think there's always a donk in the game you play, N2K...wanna guess his name?
So in one hand, you played right with 99, and you got called correctly with AQ, and you lost the flip. Boo fucking hoo. Happens to every single one of us, every single day.
My guess is you missed dozens of opportunities to chip up before that spot, and be in better shape to survive losing the flip. Spots where you could have raised from the cutoff and stolen the blinds, but you clicked on "auto-fold" with your 97off. Spots where a super-loose player c-betting the flop, and you folded 2nd pair because you weren't paying enough attention to notice what a LAGtard he is. Spots where you could re-raise with AJoff, but you're afraid of it.
We all miss those spots...but are trying to improve rather than fucking whine about it. Personally, I hope to have you posting more when you're doing more improving and less whining. But not until then.
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| grapsfan: | |
My guess is you missed dozens of opportunities to chip up before that spot, and be in better shape to survive losing the flip. Spots where you could have raised from the cutoff and stolen the blinds, but you clicked on "auto-fold" with your 97off. Spots where a super-loose player c-betting the flop, and you folded 2nd pair because you weren't paying enough attention to notice what a LAGtard he is. Spots where you could re-raise with AJoff, but you're afraid of it.
I think you said it
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| n2kfactor: | |
Yeah but where's the edge when I'm shoving 99 and getting called by QA??
99 is a favorite over AQ, no?
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