Poker Discussion Post

grapsfan:

n2kfactor:

Yeah but where's the edge when I'm shoving 99 and getting called by QA??

There are hardly any donks in the game I play...

ITS ALWAYS A COINFLIP ALL THE TIME...I don't know why

Then fucking quit.  Nothing personal, and I'm not trying to be mean - although I sure feel like it.

But people give you advice in every post you make.  Good advice.  And you seem to listen to none of it.  So, you think everyone plays perfectly...but are looking to call them donks anyway....

I think there's always a donk in the game you play, N2K...wanna guess his name?


So in one hand, you played right with 99, and you got called correctly with AQ, and you lost the flip.  Boo fucking hoo.  Happens to every single one of us, every single day.

My guess is you missed dozens of opportunities to chip up before that spot, and be in better shape to survive losing the flip.  Spots where you could have raised from the cutoff and stolen the blinds, but you clicked on "auto-fold" with your 97off.  Spots where a super-loose player c-betting the flop, and you folded 2nd pair because you weren't paying enough attention to notice what a LAGtard he is.  Spots where you could re-raise with AJoff, but you're afraid of it.

We all miss those spots...but are trying to improve rather than fucking whine about it.  Personally, I hope to have you posting more when you're doing more improving and less whining.  But not until then.

 not even the best players in the world play perfectly,and they certainly don't play their A games 100% of the time in every single tournament.

Not to mention everyone but the top 5% of tournament players suck. 

n2kfactor:

Excluding the donk-type freeroll players which you'd hardly find , isn't poker just a game of luck when everyone is playing just perfectly especially towards later stages of tournaments..

For example, player A on BTN open-raises x3 with pocket 10s and player in SB shoves 6 big blinds with AQo and gets called..flop 267K9...gg AQ...nobody played wrong

I mean where's the edge coming from when everyone is playing just correctly?

I'm asking this because I face such situations towards later stages of tournaments and its just luck most of the time..whether the A misses or hits..thats all

SowersUNCC:

the edge comes from playing and improving always against people who think they are playing perfect always.

 Your only thinking about how the game ends ...tru a coinflip is usually the end.... what about how you got there and built a stack? You havent been witness to the donk plays along the way or been a benefactor? OF course you have!

7CardRyon:

there is no edge.

leftygrove:

7CardRyon:

there is no edge.

lol do NOT listen to this, if Ryon cannot find a game where he has an edge in NL hold'em, he is truly a retard

JonBon-10:

jtown1010:

Man you guys are jerks, 3 pages and nobody answers this poor guys question.

OP, if you shove AQ into TT and lose near the end of a tourney, or vice versa, yes that is all luck.

Surely, as hard as it may be to believe, there is no such thing as luck in poker. Luck is a chance, unknown and unpredictable happening, which is completely undefinable by empirical methods. Poker is based upon mathematical and finite principles, there can only ever be one final outcome when the entire sample has been undertaken. if you are 51% to win a particular hand, then over the course of the entire sample where every possible factor is considered and every variable accounted for, you will win exactly 51% of the time.

Unless you believe in string theory, in which case we're all fucked anyway

grapsfan:

n2kfactor:

Yeah but where's the edge when I'm shoving 99 and getting called by QA??

There are hardly any donks in the game I play...

ITS ALWAYS A COINFLIP ALL THE TIME...I don't know why

Then fucking quit.  Nothing personal, and I'm not trying to be mean - although I sure feel like it.

But people give you advice in every post you make.  Good advice.  And you seem to listen to none of it.  So, you think everyone plays perfectly...but are looking to call them donks anyway....

I think there's always a donk in the game you play, N2K...wanna guess his name?


So in one hand, you played right with 99, and you got called correctly with AQ, and you lost the flip.  Boo fucking hoo.  Happens to every single one of us, every single day.

My guess is you missed dozens of opportunities to chip up before that spot, and be in better shape to survive losing the flip.  Spots where you could have raised from the cutoff and stolen the blinds, but you clicked on "auto-fold" with your 97off.  Spots where a super-loose player c-betting the flop, and you folded 2nd pair because you weren't paying enough attention to notice what a LAGtard he is.  Spots where you could re-raise with AJoff, but you're afraid of it.

We all miss those spots...but are trying to improve rather than fucking whine about it.  Personally, I hope to have you posting more when you're doing more improving and less whining.  But not until then.

n2kfactor:

Yeah but where's the edge when I'm shoving 99 and getting called by QA??

There are hardly any donks in the game I play...

ITS ALWAYS A COINFLIP ALL THE TIME...I don't know why

srooney3:

JonBon-10:

jtown1010:

Man you guys are jerks, 3 pages and nobody answers this poor guys question.

OP, if you shove AQ into TT and lose near the end of a tourney, or vice versa, yes that is all luck.

Surely, as hard as it may be to believe, there is no such thing as luck in poker. Luck is a chance, unknown and unpredictable happening, which is completely undefinable by empirical methods. Poker is based upon mathematical and finite principles, there can only ever be one final outcome when the entire sample has been undertaken. if you are 51% to win a particular hand, then over the course of the entire sample where every possible factor is considered and every variable accounted for, you will win exactly 51% of the time.

Unless you believe in string theory, in which case we're all fucked anyway

Have you taken a stats class before? I hope so...