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Excluding the donk-type freeroll players which you'd hardly find , isn't poker just a game of luck when everyone is playing just perfectly especially towards later stages of tournaments..
For example, player A on BTN open-raises x3 with pocket 10s and player in SB shoves 6 big blinds with AQo and gets called..flop 267K9...gg AQ...nobody played wrong
I mean where's the edge coming from when everyone is playing just correctly?
I'm asking this because I face such situations towards later stages of tournaments and its just luck most of the time..whether the A misses or hits..thats all
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swd805
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05-15-2009 10:19 PM
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 ImaLucSac: | |
Click buttons! Win moneys! Yay!
pretty much this. blind retarded agression ftw
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| jsagan77: | |
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| JonBon-10: | |
| jtown1010: | |
Man you guys are jerks, 3 pages and nobody answers this poor guys question.
OP, if you shove AQ into TT and lose near the end of a tourney, or vice versa, yes that is all luck.
Surely, as hard as it may be to believe, there is no such thing as luck in poker. Luck is a chance, unknown and unpredictable happening, which is completely undefinable by empirical methods. Poker is based upon mathematical and finite principles, there can only ever be one final outcome when the entire sample has been undertaken. if you are 51% to win a particular hand, then over the course of the entire sample where every possible factor is considered and every variable accounted for, you will win exactly 51% of the time. Unless you believe in string theory, in which case we're all fucked anyway
Have you taken a stats class before? I hope so...
To add to this--We have no clue what cards are coming so it is unpredictable, unknown and variant in nature.
And just throwing this out there... Sure you think you are in a coin flip situation when you have 2 overs against an under pair but isn't that the internal optimist in all of us? The value in a "coin flip" is more variance laden than people think. In most cases I think it's safe to assume (if anyone has the stats to back this up I'd appreciate it) that two overs has much less value at a 9 handed table than roughly 50 percent because of the 14 cards already in the muck. So when most people are taking these "flips" I'd almost guarantee the pocket pair has a much greater win rate in the long run, especially in MTT's and full ring games. Maybe that's obvious to most posters but it seems like every time someone writes a post on here about getting it in with two overs vs a PP that they are getting roughly 50/50 value and I'd say that's probably more the exception than the rule...
Um, No... no it isnt.
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| jaykay24: | |
| jsagan77: | |
| srooney3: | |
| JonBon-10: | |
| jtown1010: | |
Man you guys are jerks, 3 pages and nobody answers this poor guys question.
OP, if you shove AQ into TT and lose near the end of a tourney, or vice versa, yes that is all luck.
Surely, as hard as it may be to believe, there is no such thing as luck in poker. Luck is a chance, unknown and unpredictable happening, which is completely undefinable by empirical methods. Poker is based upon mathematical and finite principles, there can only ever be one final outcome when the entire sample has been undertaken. if you are 51% to win a particular hand, then over the course of the entire sample where every possible factor is considered and every variable accounted for, you will win exactly 51% of the time. Unless you believe in string theory, in which case we're all fucked anyway
Have you taken a stats class before? I hope so...
To add to this--We have no clue what cards are coming so it is unpredictable, unknown and variant in nature.
And just throwing this out there... Sure you think you are in a coin flip situation when you have 2 overs against an under pair but isn't that the internal optimist in all of us? The value in a "coin flip" is more variance laden than people think. In most cases I think it's safe to assume (if anyone has the stats to back this up I'd appreciate it) that two overs has much less value at a 9 handed table than roughly 50 percent because of the 14 cards already in the muck. So when most people are taking these "flips" I'd almost guarantee the pocket pair has a much greater win rate in the long run, especially in MTT's and full ring games. Maybe that's obvious to most posters but it seems like every time someone writes a post on here about getting it in with two overs vs a PP that they are getting roughly 50/50 value and I'd say that's probably more the exception than the rule...
Um, No... no it isnt.
Nice insightful post...
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The great thing about poker is that it is endogenous: if everyone at the table is playing "perfect" poker - it will actually pay to not play so perfect. Spotting these opportunities, i.e. how to play when and against whom is what distinguishes a good pro from well....me.
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| n2kfactor: | |
There are hardly any donks in the game I play...
For as long as poker games have been running its been true that if you can't find the donk in your game then you need to find a mirror.
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| dgillis: | |
playing a perfect game is impossible unless your playing a zero sum game. any game that involves incomplete information is impossible to play perfectly.
Zero-sum just means that the losses and winnings of all of the players balance out. It doesn't preclude having incomplete information. Poker is a zero-sum game when you play it with no rake (or if you consider the house a player).
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| ImaLuckSac: | |
| leftygrove: | |
| 7CardRyon: | |
there is no edge.
lol do NOT listen to this, if Ryon cannot find a game where he has an edge in NL hold'em, he is truly a retard
this
neat insight on a paraphrase btw kids.
fact of the matter is though, i make plenty of money in non nl and am pleased to do so. continue flipping for stacks after 5 hours of long work idc.
ask yourself this question though k, this year at the wsop, if your're good at nl or good at everything else,...who do you think has the more likelyhood of coming away with a bracelet?
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