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which icm calculators are able to calculate for 18 man tournies? (also push/fold question)
ch1pwrecked (United Kingdom) 398 Posts. Joined 10-21-2006.
11-16-2008 7:15 AM

I have sngwiz but it will only let me do steps style stts or regular 3 payout formats for pokerstars structure and i want to be able to compute this kind of scenario from an 18 man 4 payout... did i make the right play?

PokerStars Game #22076434074: Tournament #120788402, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2008/11/15 21:17:49 ET
Table '120788402 2' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: newhope2005 (4585 in chips)
Seat 2: charlie426 (8545 in chips)
Seat 3: bk1285 (7910 in chips)
Seat 6: SmokinPurple (5960 in chips)
newhope2005: posts the ante 50
charlie426: posts the ante 50
bk1285: posts the ante 50
SmokinPurple: posts the ante 50
charlie426: posts small blind 400
bk1285: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to newhope2005 [9s Kc]
SmokinPurple: folds
newhope2005: raises 3735 to 4535 and is all-in
charlie426: folds
bk1285: calls 3735
*** FLOP *** [2d 5d 4c]
*** TURN *** [2d 5d 4c] [Jd]
*** RIVER *** [2d 5d 4c Jd] [7h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bk1285: shows [As 9c] (high card Ace)
newhope2005: shows [9s Kc] (high card King)
bk1285 collected 9670 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 9670 | Rake 0
Board [2d 5d 4c Jd 7h]
Seat 1: newhope2005 (button) showed [9s Kc] and lost with high card King
Seat 2: charlie426 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: bk1285 (big blind) showed [As 9c] and won (9670) with high card Ace
Seat 6: SmokinPurple folded before Flop (didn't bet)

 
 
 

Jennifear (United States) 9,061 Posts. Joined 11-01-2005.
11-16-2008 7:59 AM - In reply to

 

ICM Calculator: 5 places

ICM Calculator: 10 places

ch1pwrecked (United Kingdom) 398 Posts. Joined 10-21-2006.
11-16-2008 10:04 AM - In reply to

Thanks Jen


ch1pwrecked (United Kingdom) 398 Posts. Joined 10-21-2006.
11-16-2008 10:10 AM - In reply to

Ha, not quite as easy to use though!

Ive tried to compute it for the situation above but it wont let me insert blinds etc so I dont know how to figure it.

Anyone know the short answer?


Jennifear (United States) 9,061 Posts. Joined 11-01-2005.
11-16-2008 12:59 PM - In reply to

Nash ICM Push/Fold Calculator

^^Here's another.  Change the structure to meet 18 mans.
(4,3,2,1) should work for most sites.

Here's the Nash Equilibrium for this spot:

BU 33.9%, 22+ Ax+ K5s+ KTo+ Q8s+ QTo+ J7s+ JTo T7s+ T9o 97s+ 86s+ 76s<<hands you can shove 
SB 14.6%, 44+ A5s+ A8o+ KJs+ KQo <<proper calling range for SB
BB 2.6%, TT+ AKs
BB 20.5%, 33+ A2s+ A5o+ KTs+ KJo+ QTs+ <<proper calling range for BB

Three other considerations:

1. If you feel that the blinds have tighter calling ranges than 14.6/20.5%, then you can shove more hands, and therefore that moves K9o into shove territory.

2. With 5.7BBs your FE is fading fast and that had to be a consideration. 

3. If you get called and win, you'll have the lead, and be able to abuse the situation, so your true equity will be greater than it is on paper.

With those other factors in play, I'm shoving this unless I think they are calling too wide.

Link to this hand:  [URL=http://www.holdemresources.net/hr/sngs/icmcalculator.html?action=calculate&bb=800&sb=400&ante=50&structure=4%2C3%2C2%2C1&s1=5960&s2=4585&s3=8545&s4=7910&s5=&s6=&s7=&s8=&s9=]ICM Nash Calculator Results[/URL]

Note:  In the future, with 4 remaining in an 18-man SNG with payouts of (108,81,54,27) you can still use SNG wiz.  Just remove 4th place money from all the places and input the prizes as (81,54,27).

Hope that helps!


ch1pwrecked (United Kingdom) 398 Posts. Joined 10-21-2006.
11-16-2008 5:13 PM - In reply to

That's absolutely golden Jen, thanks for taking the time to write that out: im having a bit of a killer month having played 1000+ games and -$400 despite feeling on top of my game as much as I ever have been - hence the questions. I know this kind of downswing is practically inevitable but it has led me to analyse absolutely everything which is why im trying to go over and over these kinds of situations.

If I find you looking for answers I will certainly try to help!

 
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