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What's their range? Why not fold? I'm not even that nitty and I think it's discipline time with this one. He can shove/fold later to get ITM, rather than feeling like a dummy going into an obvious bad situation. The Villains know it's the bubble too, so one of them has to be good for it.
EDIT -- TY for explaining ^.^
Well without knowing the players at all, I just think the original shover's range is going to be tightish, but not too tight to make it a fold...Like I said, I think he can be seeing OP's raise of the limp to be weaker than it actually is...after all, to him it looks like a LP limp and a guy abusing that limp...he shoves seeing as the effective stacks are only 29-30ish bbs(limper's stack).
As OP said, the limper is a losing player, and I just see this limp call being a smaller pair a ton of the time. SOMETIMES it will be a huge hand, but the vast majority of the time, QQ crushes his limp/calling range there given our OPR read on him.
All that added together, I think QQ is ahead of both of their ranges, and honestly, probably even crushes their ranges. Also, it's not like we have a massive stack and can just wait forever...if I remember right, we only have 20 bbs, so this is just a perfect spot for us to get our chips in when we are likely ahead their ranges IMO.
I mean, if I'm sitting in the first shover's seat, my range is going to be tightish as I said before, only because even though I see him as simply iso'ing the limper in LP, I still would think he had something decent given he only has 20 bbs...but I'd still be shoving anywhere from like 88+ AJs+ a lot of the time, obv depending on other factors such as any previous reads or what not.
And also, there are some situations where you fold to get ITM, but generally, if this is your gameplan, it's gonna cut down on a lot of your top 3 finishes, where the money actually is. And don't care about feeling or looking like a "dummy" when you make a play that you think is correct...just take that situation and learn from it. Even if OP posted that both villains had AA or KK...I still would feel the same that this has to be a spot to get it in here given our reads. But I never base my decisions on if I'll feel stupid after or look stupid to the table...if I go with my read and do what I think is correct, I'm not going to feel bad if one particular situation goes wrong.
All that said, if I had JJ here...given our same reads and the same situation, I would still almost definitely get it in as well, but TT is super close IMO
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