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100nl disgusting river spot
Schukie (United States) 242 Posts. Joined 01-01-2006.
05-16-2009 8:11 AM

Little background.  I have been at the table for about 40 hands, playing reasonably tight.  The villian is playing 21/14 over 200 hands and is a supernova...not sure if this is really relevant.


PokerStars Game #28257489012:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2009/05/16 9:07:11 ET
Table 'Amata' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: cyphellus ($103.15 in chips)
Seat 2: Amilopok ($53.75 in chips)
Seat 3: OssiHunter ($42.60 in chips)
Seat 4: Schukie ($113.50 in chips)
Seat 5: drogenhundi ($121.75 in chips)
Seat 6: joachimpowa ($219.45 in chips)
Amilopok: posts small blind $0.50
OssiHunter: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Schukie [As Qc]
Schukie: raises $3 to $4
drogenhundi: folds
joachimpowa: folds
cyphellus: calls $4
Amilopok: folds
OssiHunter: folds
*** FLOP *** [2s 3d Qh]
Schukie: bets $6
cyphellus: calls $6
*** TURN *** [2s 3d Qh] [5s]
Schukie: checks
cyphellus: bets $13
Schukie: calls $13
*** RIVER *** [2s 3d Qh 5s] [Qs]
Schukie: checks
cyphellus: bets $80.15 and is all-in
Schukie

 
 
 

Largadon (Canada) 1,099 Posts. Joined 03-27-2006.
05-16-2009 9:36 PM - In reply to

If you're going to underrep your hand like that you have to snap call. He could easily put you on 99-JJ and try to get you off or value bet a QK or QJ, if he has a set so be it.


HanoverFyst (United States) 203 Posts. Joined 01-07-2008.
05-17-2009 12:42 PM - In reply to

 There are only 3 hands that he would take this line with that you are losing to, 22 33 and 55. I don't count the straight cards as he would not likely call ur initial raise with them. The flush is even less likely as he would have had to call 2 bets to get there. Maybe A5. My gut on this hand is that he is floating you to the river with a something like KK JJ KQ or QJ or that he has AQ and you are splitting. He played it like he was going to try to take it away from you if you showed weakness, which you did on the river. $80 bet into $45 pot doesnt feel like a value bet but a get you off your hand bet. I'd call. You are waay more likely to be ahead. 

All of that assumes that you have no read on the guy which would definitely play into the decision.


Largadon (Canada) 1,099 Posts. Joined 03-27-2006.
05-17-2009 6:02 PM - In reply to

I was curious about how the hand turned out so I requested it, can't believe you folded.. Care to share your thought process?


Schukie (United States) 242 Posts. Joined 01-01-2006.
05-17-2009 10:41 PM - In reply to

 I folded more on gut and past history (not with this player, but similar circumstances.)  I tagged him as a knowledgeable player.  I do not see him taking this line really with anything less than a full house.  A good player doesnt normally overbet the pot by double with a hand such as TT in this situation.  I do not see any hand here that I beat, I feel like this is a boat almost every time.


In the past when I have encountered these types of donk shoves, they have more times than not, been a made hand.  Obviously if it was some guy who has been throwing around chips and didnt seem to be a competent player than I would call.  Just did not seem to be the right play here.  Most people at this level that I have experienced would bet about $30-35 with a bluff here, not $80+.  Dunno, I may have over thought the hand too much


Largadon (Canada) 1,099 Posts. Joined 03-27-2006.
05-18-2009 12:48 AM - In reply to

I see your point but I still think you're too underrepped to justify a fold here. If he has QJ or QK he has to think he's golden.


rivverkiller (Canada) 5,388 Posts. Joined 02-25-2006.
05-18-2009 2:17 AM - In reply to

I don't think a fold can be bad here against a solid player.  It's not like the 2nd queen is a good card to bluff or anything so he's probably value shoving.  I don't think he's flatting your 4x utg raise with QJ/Q10s so KQ is probably the only hand you're really beating in his value range. 

That said against a random this is a call. 


asujake (United States) 79 Posts. Joined 02-21-2008.
05-18-2009 4:16 PM - In reply to

bet call river imo


9ondabr8k (United States) 5 Posts. Joined 05-15-2009.
05-19-2009 1:06 AM - In reply to

Oh my, oh my. ARE you not trapping by check calling?
You have to call 100% of time, i wish i could play that hand over and over and over all day, I'd be rich, ship it.


bigchar99 (United States) 5 Posts. Joined 05-12-2009.
05-23-2009 2:53 AM - In reply to

the only way to win this hand imo is to bet out about 21 or so on river. now he knows you have a hand with a third value bet. if he has 22 33 or 55 and raises, you fold and it only costed you 21 not 80. plus at that stakes, he may have q 10 or q jack suited. he also may shove the river with that after you pretty muched repped AA or KK. he may have thought you pay of his trips with AA or KK. also, if you checked the river he wouldnt over bet the boat imo. the check showed weakness so 22 33 or 55 bets about $30.

 
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