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Considering stack sizes, blind sizes, etc.. is this a correct call? why or why not?
PokerStars Game #16927700404: Tournament #85760165, $11+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (800/1600) - 2008/04/22 - 23:02:52 (ET)
Table '85760165 18' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: R U Joking (5260 in chips)
Seat 2: jrixey (14789 in chips)
Seat 3: JCAIN #7 (5865 in chips)
Seat 4: Hankthe3rd (15320 in chips)
Seat 5: noisuffy (13731 in chips)
Seat 6: elvisthewing (10174 in chips)
Seat 7: TD KGB00 (4398 in chips)
R U Joking: posts the ante 150
jrixey: posts the ante 150
JCAIN #7: posts the ante 150
Hankthe3rd: posts the ante 150
noisuffy: posts the ante 150
elvisthewing: posts the ante 150
TD KGB00: posts the ante 150
R U Joking: posts small blind 800
jrixey: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jrixey [Jd Qc]
JCAIN #7: folds
Hankthe3rd: folds
noisuffy: folds
elvisthewing: folds
TD KGB00: raises 2648 to 4248 and is all-in
R U Joking: raises 862 to 5110 and is all-in
jrixey: calls 3510
*** FLOP *** [Ac 3d 9h]
*** TURN *** [Ac 3d 9h] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [Ac 3d 9h 3s] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
R U Joking: shows [8s 8d] (two pair, Eights and Threes)
jrixey: shows [Jd Qc] (a pair of Threes)
R U Joking collected 1724 from side pot
TD KGB00: shows [Td As] (two pair, Aces and Threes)
TD KGB00 collected 13794 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 15518 Main pot 13794. Side pot 1724. | Rake 0
Board [Ac 3d 9h 3s Ks]
Seat 1: R U Joking (small blind) showed [8s 8d] and won (1724) with two pair, Eights and Threes
Seat 2: jrixey (big blind) showed [Jd Qc] and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 3: JCAIN #7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Hankthe3rd folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: noisuffy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: elvisthewing folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: TD KGB00 (button) showed [Td As] and won (13794) with two pair, Aces and Threes
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I find it hard to call this, I'm leaning more towards the easy fold/why even think about calling vrs the easy call. But then again I think calling off over a 1/3 of my chips with QJ ( a marginal hand at best) is totally the wrong move.
Yes pot odds is important, to an extent. Raise, reraise is not a time to call off chips with QJ. Maybe pushing them in would have been the better play, As its always better to push your chips then call them off. But since you didn't have the option of doing so ahead of time then its a fold.
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Depends alot on table and other circumstances, If you had less chips(like 10 or 11k) this would be a fold imo.As it is im not sure if its a call or fold. One thing im sure of is that thoose who say either easy call or easy fold are both wrong.
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I am not the mathematical ICM expert that some others might be, but I look at it a little differently.
The button is shoving any 2. Easy call, but when the SB shoves, I have to put him on some type of made hand or at worst case, a big ace. It's about 20% of my stack to call here, so to me, I can pick a better spot. I tend to be more agressive shoving than calling though. Might be a leak in my game. But in the long run, it works out ok.
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god people, stop talking about how much of his stack he's calling off. hes getting a rediculous price and he still can shove from LP and have fold equity if he loses.
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moman, you dont have to put the SB on a made hand because his M is also really really low, he should be shoving any two that he might think is live since the buttton is shoving any two and he knows he ahead of buttons range. Hero is ahead of both the SB and buttons ranges but the HH showing the outcome is making everyone results oriented. I went over the #s on pokerstove, as posted earlier, and this is a fairly easy call. Not a snap call since any normal person cant do that math in a split second but if you take about 10 seconds and really put them both on a range of hands and realize the odds your getting compared to how your hand stands against their ranges it is a pretty easy call.
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