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Prolly Standard but need to make sure
By bef99hwk on 05-11-2008 7:33 PM

73 left in 50/50 on stars....table has been playing really tight except for one guy but not the Villain and MrCasino of course

 

Villain is utg+3 I believe with 75k stack roughly

Hero in SB with QQ with 65kish..

 

Blinds 800/1600

 

Villain opens to 4100...Hero reraises to 13500, Villain shoves, Hero calls.

 

Lose to K on river.

 

Now this may seem pretty obvious seeing as how I only have 40bb.  I just hate stacking off a decent stack when I feel like i have plenty of play left.  I could be way out of line here and everyone will prolly flame me cuz of the "ur ahead why wouldn't you shove?"  But I'm really starting to question taking these huge flips.  I've read the table as tight except for 2 other players, and when they open I don't see them shoving TT and JJ...that leaves QQ (not likely) KK AA and AK.  I'm behind 2, ahead of one, and killing the bottom 2 (based on player reads).  I could also add in the online rigging chit of QQ never beating AK and I'm a smaller stack so I won't win the flip but those are hypothetical.

 So basically, what is the stack size/bb ratio where you don't get it all in?  I know pros love shipping it in in this spot, but there HAS to be better spots with 30-35bb stack where you can be a much bigger favorite.  I'd rather be shoving KK against Ax....30->50% is a lot.  So flame away but let me know ur thoughts.  I win this obviously I go really deep.  If I fold I go somewhat deep but may not get guaranteed FT like I would taking the flip.  Thanks in advance, but plz go light on me :)

 
 
 

Re:Prolly Standard but need to make sure In reply to
By AGame18 on 05-12-2008 3:51 AM

 u played it well.............I'd say at 60 bbs+, you can start considering other options besides rr/calling here.  With your stack, theres just no other play.

gg ul, another day another tourney 


Re:Prolly Standard but need to make sure In reply to
By Easy Duzit on 05-12-2008 8:21 AM

 Why not flat call and if no ace or king hit the flop you can feel much better about

re-raising all in and giving him a hard choice.

With such a big stack in relation to the blinds, why risk it all there? You'll probably win a smaller pot, but you don't go broke either.

 

 Easy
 


Re:Prolly Standard but need to make sure In reply to
By bef99hwk on 05-12-2008 5:25 PM

I've considered this ^^^^^^ many times.  I hate relying on the "online luck factor" on a stupid race deep.  Feel they are too rigged.  My last 3 mtts I've gone deep in I've always been resucked or lost.  This isn't an excuse cuz shit happens but I've almost considered flatting and taking away another 10bb or so.  It doesn't maximize my expectation like I should, but sometimes I wonder if a chance at 10k and folding a small edge is correct, even if sometimes its by a short run -EV play.  I'm a nitty kind of player deeper because I feel like ppl piss away their chips playing too aggro too often.  With this, I feel like I don't need a much bigger stack to grind the final 70 ppl.  Most of the time, I'm taking a horrendous beat deep or some sick cooler (kk into AA).  That's why I feel like since I'm a tighter player, I don't need to risk my whole stack like this.


Re:Prolly Standard but need to make sure In reply to
By woertink on 05-12-2008 8:30 PM

You want to be putting ur $ in with QQ bef99hwk, ur a small favorite over AK and if you win ur equity goes up so much due to your new huge stack.  Don't doubt yourself, you are a good player.


Re:Prolly Standard but need to make sure In reply to
By 8ntmuch on 05-14-2008 12:14 PM

I have no real problem with the way you went about the hand. Yes you were the fav and as you said, shit happens. Describing yourself is pretty much how I am as well so I feel your pain. I've learned that deep against players with larger stacks I'd rather smooth call. A or K flops then its easier to get away from the hand and live to fight another day. If you escape the flop then maybe push, unless he bets leaving himself committed to calling your all in. Even at that point with 2 cards to go you've got to feel better about your position.
 
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