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Do you call this?
Froad (United States) 75 Posts. Joined 02-24-2006.
08-21-2008 1:46 PM

Basically down to the final three in a $25 SNG.  From what I had seen SNGtafo does not seem to need a lot to make a move.  If I call and win, well I win the table, if SNGtafo wins the hand, well I get second.

PokerStars Game #19774870951: Tournament #103365207, $25+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2008/08/20 - 22:09:08 (ET)

Table '103365207 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button

Seat 3: nipps2000 (3025 in chips)

Seat 4: FirstFroad (5120 in chips)

Seat 8: SNGtafo (5355 in chips)

nipps2000: posts the ante 25

FirstFroad: posts the ante 25

SNGtafo: posts the ante 25

nipps2000: posts small blind 200

FirstFroad: posts big blind 400

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to FirstFroad [As Qh]

SNGtafo: raises 4930 to 5330 and is all-in

nipps2000: calls 2800 and is all-in

FirstFroad: folds

---Needless to say, they did not improve and a Q hit on the turn.
 
 
 

pkalevar (Canada) 343 Posts. Joined 07-06-2006.
08-21-2008 1:54 PM - In reply to

depends what you mean by not much .... what range do you have them on?

i think pokerstove says fold?


Jennifear (United States) 9,061 Posts. Joined 11-01-2005.
08-21-2008 2:29 PM - In reply to

Make the call.

PU CA OC Range
BU 39.1%, 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K9o+ Q5s+ QTo+ J7s+ J9o+ T6s+ T9o 96s+ 86s+ 75s+ 65s 54s <<what SNGtafo should be shoving with
SB 9.8%, 66+ A8s+ ATo+ KQs <<what nips can call with
BB 9.5%, 66+ A9s+ ATo+ KQs <<what you can overcall with


Unless your read is that SNGtafo is shoving significantly less than 39%, you are good to go here.

ICM Nash Calculator Results

When there are three left in a SNG, elimination isn't such a big deal anymore.  If you look at the prize pool, there is twice the difference between first and second place that there is between first and third.  Therefore, you may take more risks than you can on the bubble.


moman1965 (United States) 2,706 Posts. Joined 10-06-2006.
08-21-2008 2:30 PM - In reply to

BU 39.1%, 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K9o+ Q5s+ QTo+ J7s+ J9o+ T6s+ T9o 96s+ 86s+ 75s+ 65s 54s
SB 9.8%, 66+ A8s+ ATo+ KQs
BB 9.5%, 66+ A9s+ ATo+ KQs
BB 8.7%, 77+ A9s+ ATo+
SB 59.6%, 22+ Kx+ Q2s+ Q6o+ J3s+ J8o+ T4s+ T7o+ 95s+ 97o+ 85s+ 87o 74s+ 76o 64s+ 53s+
BB 38.2%, 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K5o+ Q7s+ Q8o+ J8s+ JTo T9s

Accordign to Nash... you should be calling with AT+ here.
Hope this helps.

EDIT- Jennifear posted at the same time I did so I feel better about it!!! Plus, she is the one that taught me and she is the best!! (All but the bets on her Yankees, anyways!!)

JACK WELCH (United States) 459 Posts. Joined 04-03-2007.
08-21-2008 2:32 PM - In reply to

I ride the short bus, but doesn't nipps triple up if you call and neither you nor SNGtafo win???


Jennifear (United States) 9,061 Posts. Joined 11-01-2005.
08-21-2008 2:34 PM - In reply to

Nice work Mo :)


djkelly69 (Australia) 1,009 Posts. Joined 10-09-2006.
08-21-2008 6:13 PM - In reply to

I have to say my initial thought was snap fold, lock up 2nd place money, but interesting to see Jennifear's response.  I feel it is a spot where cEV diverges quite significantly from $EV, but have no idea how to calculate this.

TBH I really dont see him shoving as wide as that range here though.


Froad (United States) 75 Posts. Joined 02-24-2006.
08-22-2008 6:29 AM - In reply to

Thanks. hopefully I remember this the next time

 
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