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Is this flop play bad?
JET17 (United States) 645 Posts. Joined 08-11-2005.
06-26-2009 4:59 PM

I'd only been at this table for 2 orbits.  This is a situation that I find myself in a lot and I'm not really sure the best action.  Should I raise smaller on the flop, call, or is the push good.  My thinking is that there was $7,800 in the pot when he bets the flop and I have $12,200 behind.  If I call the pot has $10,200 and I'll have $9,800 going to the turn. Does the push here make sense or do I wait to see what the turn brings?  I don't want to let him control the pot if he has a str8 draw and get there cheap. If he has the Q and the turn is a blank we most likely get the money in, but he most likely shuts down to an over. Or am I just playing this totally wrong and playing it way too fast?

PokerStars Game #29813380152: Tournament #173033915, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2009/06/26 17:40:24 ET
Table '173033915 20' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Stocki59 (21365 in chips)
Seat 2: JonesVI (74957 in chips)
Seat 4: ey85 (71056 in chips)
Seat 5: chriscwm88 (50710 in chips)
Seat 6: Pitstop1099 (17541 in chips)
Seat 7: schocker45 (52492 in chips)
Seat 8: JET17 (14275 in chips)
Seat 9: TONY G500 (61499 in chips)
Stocki59: posts the ante 75
JonesVI: posts the ante 75
ey85: posts the ante 75
chriscwm88: posts the ante 75
Pitstop1099: posts the ante 75
schocker45: posts the ante 75
JET17: posts the ante 75
TONY G500: posts the ante 75
JonesVI: posts small blind 400
ey85: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JET17 [6h 6s]
chriscwm88: folds
Pitstop1099: folds
schocker45: folds
JET17: raises 1200 to 2000
TONY G500: folds
Stocki59: folds
JonesVI: calls 1600
ey85: folds
*** FLOP *** [7s 6d Qh]
JonesVI: bets 2400
JET17: raises 9800 to 12200 and is all-in
JonesVI: folds
Uncalled bet (9800) returned to JET17
JET17 collected 10200 from pot
JET17: doesn't show hand
 
 
 

LordPye (United States) 1,530 Posts. Joined 05-27-2008.
06-26-2009 6:03 PM - In reply to

 With position like this on the villain and that kind of awesome flop, you played this too fast.


With your preflop raise I just dont see the villain showing up with an 89 or something here for a straight draw.  I would suspect the villain has a pp of some sort, maybe 88 99 or even worse like 44 or 55.  The flop is innucuous so he may think he's good here if you have AK or something like that.  If you simply call on the flop he has ZERO idea what you have and may opt to fire another barrel on the turn which is exactly what you want.


If he has air he may hit the turn and then you have him trapped dead to nuts.  Even if he doesn't hit, if he chooses to fire another barrel on the turn he's pretty much priced in to call off the rest of whatever you can reraise on the turn.


Next time play it a lil slower and let the villain OOP hang himself.


thunderchild (Australia) 220 Posts. Joined 05-21-2008.
06-26-2009 6:05 PM - In reply to

I think you played it fine.He is going to pay you off with most of his range here.


DutchCourage (Netherlands) 505 Posts. Joined 11-16-2007.
06-29-2009 6:52 AM - In reply to

LordPye: 

 With position like this on the villain and that kind of awesome flop, you played this too fast.


With your preflop raise I just dont see the villain showing up with an 89 or something here for a straight draw.  I would suspect the villain has a pp of some sort, maybe 88 99 or even worse like 44 or 55.  The flop is innucuous so he may think he's good here if you have AK or something like that.  If you simply call on the flop he has ZERO idea what you have and may opt to fire another barrel on the turn which is exactly what you want.


If he has air he may hit the turn and then you have him trapped dead to nuts.  Even if he doesn't hit, if he chooses to fire another barrel on the turn he's pretty much priced in to call off the rest of whatever you can reraise on the turn.


Next time play it a lil slower and let the villain OOP hang himself.


^^this. Well explained too.

uhwhatsthatdeal (United States) 12 Posts. Joined 08-30-2007.
06-30-2009 9:21 AM - In reply to

I usually don't like just a call here, but since it's the later stages and you want to get max value for your big hands, I think flatting is your best option, especially with a non-threatening board like this. This looks like a stop n go move, and chances are, the villain has air, a small pp, or something like A7 (which he may have called your raise with). Let him do the betting, it looks like he wants to push you off a mediocre hand, so let him try.

langedoggy (United States) 24 Posts. Joined 08-18-2006.
07-01-2009 11:08 AM - In reply to

I agree with the other posts that you played it too fast.  You flopped a monster on a very safe board.  The fact that he called a raise in the SB doesn't give much of a chance for any sort of straight draw with middle connectors.  So he either has a some sort of middle pair or maybe the Q (which is great news if he does) and wnats to see where hes at.  You're not folding here so I think flat calling is the right move.  You have a much better shot at getting all of his chips on later streets.  If he had a higher pair than yours to start then he only has two outs, you'll take that spot every day.


hushpuckena (United States) 716 Posts. Joined 02-17-2008.
07-01-2009 1:56 PM - In reply to

The flop call seems better, unless you're playing someone who's a LAP, thus very likely to view the big move as the same sort of play he/she would be likely to make with a holding such as top pair. If your opponent shuts down after your call, nothing's lost.

 
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