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pocket 10s semi deep in 50k
elitewrestla (United States) 7 Posts. Joined 12-02-2008.
07-02-2009 12:27 AM

 I normally don't play buy ins over 75$ on the regular but will always satty in whenever possible as I had done today in the 50k.  There are about 75 people left with 45 itm when this hand comes up here.  This is probably my 3rd time playing the event when i found pocket 10s in the sb with a somewhat awkward stack, I'm going to post the hand as played althu I don't like how it turned out. I would like to know how everyone would play this hand as followed and also how they would play the hand otherwise. The villain here was raising somewhat often but nothing crazy, hadn't seen him 4 bet at this time, while i had a fairly tight solid image.


Full Tilt Poker Game #13143895627: $50,000 Guarantee (96430034), Table 38 - 250/500 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:52:57 ET - 2009/07/01
Seat 1: Hosea1044 (17,688)
Seat 2: vsexporvy (55,220)
Seat 3: calibra33 (10,616)
Seat 4: elitewrestla (16,905)
Seat 5: dollarbaby3 (31,640)
Seat 6: PickingYouApart (14,801)
Seat 7: MarMoss (5,625)
Seat 8: Podberezie (16,163)
Seat 9: eux2 (11,284)
Hosea1044 antes 50
vsexporvy antes 50
calibra33 antes 50
elitewrestla antes 50
dollarbaby3 antes 50
PickingYouApart antes 50
MarMoss antes 50
Podberezie antes 50
eux2 antes 50
elitewrestla posts the small blind of 250
dollarbaby3 posts the big blind of 500
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to elitewrestla [Ts Td]
PickingYouApart has 15 seconds left to act
PickingYouApart folds
MarMoss folds
Podberezie has 15 seconds left to act
Podberezie has timed out
Podberezie folds
Podberezie is sitting out
eux2 folds
Podberezie has returned
Hosea1044 raises to 1,250
vsexporvy folds
calibra33 folds
elitewrestla has 15 seconds left to act
elitewrestla raises to 3,875
dollarbaby3 folds
Hosea1044 raises to 17,638, and is all in
elitewrestla has 15 seconds left to act
elitewrestla has requested TIME
elitewrestla folds
 
 
 

cjmace24 (United States) 209 Posts. Joined 11-06-2006.
07-02-2009 12:55 AM - In reply to

Looks like they might have AQ+ and put you on a resteal.  They were raising a lot, but not crazy so I think I'm folding this to the shove.

As to how I play it in your position, I think I would just flat and see the flop.  While not being "crazy" them seem fairly active and agressive and might play 77+ in the same manner knowing that you don't want to risk your stack this close to the money.

Certainly an interesting spot.


DutchCourage (Netherlands) 505 Posts. Joined 11-16-2007.
07-02-2009 5:15 AM - In reply to

A prime example of why I always have difficulty with TT. Here's my thoughts:
You can be up against any number of hands, some you beat bigtime (i.e. lower pairs), some coinflips (AJ+) and some that have you on the ropes (JJ+) - If you are gonna call this you were probably better off shoving yourself.

Personally I like flatting TT here, it costs you 1000 to call and you are still in with a decent chance after the flop. You're 8-1 flopping a set in which case you stand a good chance of taking all 17k of his chips, i.e. 17-1 payoff. If flop comes all high cards I'd lead out but shut down if played back, same for low cards but then keeping value betting.

Of course all of this is depends on your style and how you read your opponent. Have you seen him making this move before? What did he show (if anything)?


elusively (United States) 3,620 Posts. Joined 02-07-2007.
07-02-2009 11:18 AM - In reply to

You just turned 1010 into a bluff by playing it this way.

If you're folding to a 4-bet shove, you shouldn't be raising.  I don't like flatting w/ 1010 here, we are OOP and most flops will miss us/have overs and all of our options suck on a 9-high flop if the villian is competent.

Personally, I would probably have just shoved, but as played you have to call.


saukendar (United States) 712 Posts. Joined 03-19-2007.
07-02-2009 12:44 PM - In reply to

A couple of things - as pointed out mining os OK if a touch marginal so flatting isn't bad & is the safe course. If you are going to raise look at your bet sizing, that was your issue here. If you raise decide how you're going to handle a 4 bet and size your bet accordingly, if you are going to fold or you want to induce a 4 bet go with ~2500 so you have an easy fold. If you are calling go with 6500/7000 to show commited & make an easy call. As played you end up looking at about a 13K+ call into a 21K pot or 1.5:1 - just sick. With your bet size you offered yourself a nasty hard choice and because of that he could be doing this for FE alone.

my 2 cents


Mike Kowal (United States) 363 Posts. Joined 01-03-2007.
07-07-2009 1:22 AM - In reply to

 Elite - I like ya , ur probably a solid player, ur friends w/ Lab Rat and those guys, etc ... But you really have to stop posting hands in the hand advice area of P5s or you will probably get worse ...


DutchCourage (Netherlands) 505 Posts. Joined 11-16-2007.
07-07-2009 3:42 AM - In reply to

saukendar: 

A couple of things - as pointed out mining os OK if a touch marginal so flatting isn't bad & is the safe course. If you are going to raise look at your bet sizing, that was your issue here. If you raise decide how you're going to handle a 4 bet and size your bet accordingly, if you are going to fold or you want to induce a 4 bet go with ~2500 so you have an easy fold. If you are calling go with 6500/7000 to show commited & make an easy call. As played you end up looking at about a 13K+ call into a 21K pot or 1.5:1 - just sick. With your bet size you offered yourself a nasty hard choice and because of that he could be doing this for FE alone.

my 2 cents



Yes - and I beg you to post on any topics I open - I might actually finally learn something

PokerontheRoad 3 Posts. Joined 07-07-2009.
07-07-2009 3:44 AM - In reply to

Not a great call, but atleast you can learn from the experience

P33J (United States) 493 Posts. Joined 12-15-2007.
07-07-2009 3:55 AM - In reply to

Mike Kowal: 

 Elite - I like ya , ur probably a solid player, ur friends w/ Lab Rat and those guys, etc ... But you really have to stop posting hands in the hand advice area of P5s or you will probably get worse ...


True stories, there are people who will post good stuff though just sift through. I don't think you can 3 bet fold tens here though.

rivverkiller (Canada) 5,169 Posts. Joined 02-25-2006.
07-08-2009 4:35 AM - In reply to

Unless villain is a nit then this is a pretty simple 3/bet call.  I hate your 3 bet sizing though as it's less likely to induce a light shove.  Expect villain to show up with a wide range of pairs/aces/paint/etc. 

3 bet folding here with effective stacks is hella bad. 

If villain is a nit then flatting is probably fine. 

 
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