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Check out this HH. Keep in mind (for those who do not play 3 rebuy) it's not uncommon!
ave chip stack is say 30K; we are 1200 left of say 6000 people.
PokerStars Game #30027743844: Tournament #175253004, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (400/800) - 2009/07/02 17:10:59 ET
Table '175253004 518' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: elliass2 (67840 in chips) had seemed OK so far, aggro but not loose.
Seat 2: tamura11 (28009 in chips)
Seat 3: Timzc1 (14130 in chips)
Seat 4: OURIEL7777 (19872 in chips)
Seat 5: peddro (47485 in chips)
Seat 6: WoopShoopi (83509 in chips) had played passive and quite loose esp pre flop; post flop he had at least say bottom pair to call bets (call action even!)
Seat 7: Jkthone (43721 in chips)
Seat 8: VillainV (18570 in chips)
Seat 9: dddoume (5275 in chips)
elliass2: posts the ante 100
tamura11: posts the ante 100
Timzc1: posts the ante 100
OURIEL7777: posts the ante 100
peddro: posts the ante 100
WoopShoopi: posts the ante 100
Jkthone: posts the ante 100
VillainV: posts the ante 100
dddoume: posts the ante 100
VillainV: posts small blind 400
dddoume: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Timzc1 [Qc 2s]
elliass2: calls 800
tamura11: folds
Timzc1: folds
OURIEL7777: folds
peddro: folds
WoopShoopi: raises 2400 to 3200
Jkthone: folds
VillainV: folds
dddoume: folds
elliass2: raises 12800 to 16000
WoopShoopi: calls 12800
*** FLOP *** [4h 5c 2d]
elliass2: bets 18400
WoopShoopi said, "u r so aggressive.. cant put u on a hand"
WoopShoopi: calls 18400
*** TURN *** [4h 5c 2d] [9h]
elliass2 said, "sorry"
elliass2: bets 33340 and is all-in
WoopShoopi: calls 33340
*** RIVER *** [4h 5c 2d 9h] [Qs]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
elliass2: shows [8c 8d] (a pair of Eights)
WoopShoopi: shows [5s Ks] (a pair of Fives)
elliass2 collected 137580 from pot
WoopShoopi said, "nh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 137580 | Rake 0
Board [4h 5c 2d 9h Qs]
Seat 1: elliass2 showed [8c 8d] and won (137580) with a pair of Eights
Seat 2: tamura11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Timzc1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: OURIEL7777 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: peddro folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: WoopShoopi showed [5s Ks] and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 7: Jkthone (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: VillainV (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: dddoume (big blind) folded before Flop
For discussion: how best to capitalize on such hilariously bad, reasonably deep stacked, post flop play?
aside from the obv: bet your big hands hard, etc.,...
specifics! let's discuss!
--timzc1
PS my cards are irrelevant, not my focus, just them and their decisions, pre and post flop for the both of them
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OK, I do have some thoughts on that:
-Value bet strong hands - but slowplay monsters. At this level nobody picks up the difference and your slowplay will generally be perceived as weakness.
-Hardly ever (or maybe never?) bluff - as in your example, there's a lot of "i don't believe you" play, and you end up losing to a counterbluff (but holding a better hand).
-Play lots of suited connectors, small pps etc. Excellent in situations like holding T9s and flop comes J87 or all suited with a high card. You will often pick up their entire stack as they push all-in with top pair, weak kicker.
Generally I'd say playing ABC-poker should get rewarded....
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I agree about ABC poker early on...
Sure, sometimes throw out say a cont. bet, but the only times I think more elaborate bluffs are worthwhile is a bit later on in the MTT. Why later? For at leats three reasons: the people left alive later in a MTT wil tend to be 1) better players, and better players CAN be bluffed; and 2) tighter players, and tighter players can be bluffed; and 3) nervous players who "just want to cash", people will see that you have exactly the nec cards to beat them.
Mind you, as a big stack the other day I donked off a top 50 stack with air, firing three bullets at 2/3 pot bet on flop and turn and then 1/2 pot on river, and he called me down with a 3rd underpair to the board (and he then had a top ten stack with 140 to go of 6000 people.) So, obv even late in these mtts bluffing is a huge risk, probably one bets to be avoided more times than not.
I swear, given that board that opp, I play an overpair identically, given that the draws did not materialize.
When will I learn?! lol
--timzc1
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