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Hand #7929816-73 at Wed9pmA-013 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
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Started at 24/Aug/05 22:11:05
kold is at seat 0 with 3855.
AawwNuts is at seat 1 with 9200.
Moraine is at seat 2 with 2845.
PillPacker is at seat 3 with 6905.
Jack Straw is at seat 4 with 2350.
bmpek is at seat 5 with 6370.
twelvem is at seat 6 with 2585.
jackleggbob is at seat 7 with 2530.
TrishTheFish is at seat 8 with 1860.
rockford hawk is at seat 9 with 1735.
The button is at seat 0.
AawwNuts posts the small blind of 30.
Moraine posts the big blind of 60.
kold: -- --
AawwNuts: Ks Kc
Moraine: -- --
PillPacker: -- --
Jack Straw: -- --
bmpek: -- --
twelvem: -- --
jackleggbob: -- --
TrishTheFish: -- --
rockford hawk: -- --
Pre-flop:
PillPacker raises to 210. Jack Straw folds. bmpek
folds. twelvem folds. jackleggbob folds.
TrishTheFish folds. rockford hawk folds. kold
folds. AawwNuts re-raises to 360. Moraine folds.
PillPacker goes all-in for 6905. AawwNuts folds,
showing Ks Kc. PillPacker is returned 6545
(uncalled).
Hand #7929816-73 Summary:
No rake is taken for this hand.
PillPacker wins 780.
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Since the blinds are only 30 / 60, it's early in the tournament. Based on the chip stacks, I would say your top 5 in chip stacks.
I would guess that he was pretty tight, or just moved to your table. If he was a total nut (aggressive), I would have called. If he was tight, I would have laid it down. I would have to have a feel of the table before I could give you a definitive answer.
Smithereens (Thanks for your answer BTW)
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Nothing wrong with laying down a likley winner this early in the tournament.
He has a pretty nice stack early too, which likely indicates he is overly aggressive.
Although I think it is unlikey he had AA there, he most likely had QQ, JJ or AK.
He would likely have made a smaller raise with AA in my opinion.
Based on your info I think he had JJ.
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Thanks for all of the great responses guys. The funny thing with this hand is that I folded and showed it very quickly. But, I've been mulling the decision over ever since. I played awesome poker last night and finished in the money in 3 out of the 4 tourneys I entered. I never had AA on any table the whole night, but did pick up KK several times.
Like I said, when I played the hand I really insta-folded and showed my hand. At this point, 45-50 minutes in, I had totally dominated my table. I was sitting in the top 5 for the whole tourney going from 2500 to 9200. JSUP was teasing me about my rapid chip-up.
The reasons I folded:
1) There was NO reason for me to want to play a pot that big at that point. I had over 150x the BB and this guy is ready to play for over 120x BB. I would have been sweating it even if I had to call with AA because losing 7000 chips is twice as devastating as winning 7000 is beneficial.
2) He opened UTG and quickly pushed all-in after my raise. This IS a possibility for AA, but it is more probable that he had AK. BTW, I did the min raise just to clarify some strength so I could follow up on the flop and he would believe it. I did not really want to play a huge pot with the guy.
3) My table was very sweet. I had nice control with a good image against a table with at least 3 bad players. I like my chances of winning 7000 chips in better spots.
4) I really didn't care, nor try to figure out, what kind of a hand that the guy had. I was not going to play that size pot knowing that it was very likely that he had at least one A which makes me at most a 70% favorite. A 30% chance of losing great tournament position while playing very well against a VERY easy table is too valuable to risk for a few more chips.
5) I only had 360 invested in the hand. Less than 4% of my stack.
I showed the KK for advertising reasons. I think if you ever fold KK or AK pre-flop, go ahead and show it. Later on, I won a big pot from the same player on a bluff. I believe he folded a reasonable hand because of our earlier encounter.
Of course, the guy tells me that he laid down AA, but I don't necessarily believe it. I can say that there is not one single hand that I could have received in his position that would have made me push all-in the way he did.
As far as his image, to have that many chips at this point in the tourney he obviously was an aggressive player. I didn't have any information about him being a poor player. He had just been moved to the table about 10 hands prior.
I went on to finish about 12th in the tourney when my AQ ran into AK six-handed. I was in the blind and felt the AK guy was making a stab at the blinds when they were 1600/800. I pushed in my case 25k after he opened from the cutoff with 5500. Could've done better at the end, but it's bad luck for AQ to run into AK six handed.
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Thanks for the explanation, Awwwnutz. You kept me in suspense all day!
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Where's random man when you need him to fill in a post that you answered twice?
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With KK I'm either down to 2K or up to 17K, there are very few players that i respect enough to lay down a monster like KK. If your goal is to make the money, then laying it down is a good play, if your trying to win the tourny I dont think you can lay it down.
Golf_Nut01
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With your skill, chip position, and the type of table you are
describing I think this a relatively easy fold. One of the most
important things in a tournament situation is avoiding other big stacks
when you are the big stack unless you are holding the nuts (or
something close to it). Although KK is the second best starting hand in
holdem, I hardly think it qualifies as the nuts in this case as there
is a 30% you could lose this hand (that's assuming he doesn't
have AA). Yea, 17,000 puts you at the top of the hill, but there is
still a buttload of poker to be played. 30/60 blinds is hardly the time
to be gambling when you've got the table by the throat. Good laydown in
my opinion
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So what it boils down to is that even if you thought you were ahead in
this particular hand, it was far more important not to lose 7k chips
than it was to win them and that's why you folded.
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I have to disagree with you Nut01. I was ALREADY in great position to win the tournament. It didn't make sense for me to jeopardize that position when I could be in really bad shape or be a 70% favorite. Losing 7000 at this point would far greater reduce my chance of winning the tournament than winning 7000 would improve my chances.
If this hand happens with 40 people left and it only constitutes maybe 30 or 40 BB, it's an insta call. I posted this to share my ideas on tournament dynamics. I then contrasted this post with another post about a push all-in with QQ when A was on the board. Different chip stacks, different stack to blind ratios, different stage in the tourney. Two different hands played totally different.
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I have a couple questions for you if you have time.
1) What do you do if say kold limps behind you and when you raise pill folds but kold goes in for 42% of your stack. Do you still fold or do you play it with the mindset that if you happen to lose you still have the chips to play your way back into it?
2) Do you remember any of the hands that helped you build your stack up so quickly? I'm curious because it seems to me the only way I'm able to build a sizeable stack early is by taking chances and hitting draws and such. Did you just get really good hands early on or hit some flops when you were in the blinds?
Thanks
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1) I definitely call for less than half my stack. I would still be well above average. Pill's chip stack was the reason I folded.
2) My biggest had was a 57 of diamonds that I called from the BB after one player raise to 3x BB and a late player called. The flop came with a decent draw. Original raiser bet a little weakly which was called by late player and myself. The turn brought the nut straight for me and I worked the original raiser and the late player for about 1/2 their stack each. I got a little lip from the raiser because I'm such a bad player. Another hand was calling a raise and a call with AJ of hearts from the SB. Flopped two J's and cleaned out a player. Of course, he said that only fish call with AJ. I guess 75 out of a 4000 chip stack is too important to gamble with - lol.
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Thanks for replying Nutz, it really does help to recieve advice from a player of your caliber.
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I think you have to laydown here. This is the one type of situation that I will laydown kings.
If he's a solid player there's no reason for him to make this move with any other hand than AA. blinds are 30/60 and he's playing for stacks preflop. Even if he did have AK or QQ it really doesn't matter, you are in very good position and there's no reason to risk see'ing if your right other than curiousity, lol
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