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Full Tilt · PokerStars · Ultimate Bet · Players Only · Bodog
PokerStars Game #17275081384: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/05/07 - 21:28:42 (ET)
Table 'Bessel II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Ace_Rat_Ace ($261.05 in chips)
Seat 2: Miksta ($196 in chips)
Seat 3: d___Wesss ($39.90 in chips)
Seat 4: WormSlick ($200.85 in chips)
Seat 6: snipper90 ($67.15 in chips)
Ace_Rat_Ace: posts small blind $1
Miksta: posts big blind $2
Carnagal: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to WormSlick [Ac Kc]
d___Wesss: folds
d___Wesss is sitting out
WormSlick: raises $6 to $8
snipper90: folds
d___Wesss leaves the table
Ace_Rat_Ace: raises $20 to $28
Miksta: folds
WormSlick: calls $20
*** FLOP *** [Kh 3d 6c]
ezplayerITH joins the table at seat #3
Ace_Rat_Ace: bets $32
WormSlick: raises $58 to $90
Ace_Rat_Ace: raises $143.05 to $233.05 and is all-in
WormSlick: calls $82.85 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($60.20) returned to Ace_Rat_Ace
*** TURN *** [Kh 3d 6c] [Th]
*** RIVER *** [Kh 3d 6c Th] [6d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Ace_Rat_Ace: shows [Ad As] (two pair, Aces and Sixes)
WormSlick: shows [Ac Kc] (two pair, Kings and Sixes)
Ace_Rat_Ace collected $401.70 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $403.70 | Rake $2
Board [Kh 3d 6c Th 6d]
Seat 1: Ace_Rat_Ace (small blind) showed [Ad As] and won ($401.70) with two pair, Aces and Sixes
Seat 2: Miksta (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: d___Wesss folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: WormSlick showed [Ac Kc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Sixes
Seat 6: snipper90 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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am I missing something? you put your $$$ in with the worse hand and lost the pot.....again, am I missing something?
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Near or right at the bottom of the meter
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That's just tough luck. Top pair, top kicker. It would be awful hard to get away from. Did you have a read on the villian?
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Well, I don't know about donk-o-meter here, but as I was reading it after the first raise I was thinking that the other guy had to have AA, then after the flop there was no doubt in my mind so I scrolled down, and imagine that, he had AA.
Did you ever think that perhaps your opponent had AA? I think you lost a ton of money on this hand that you didn't need to lose at all. Unless you have some read on him that he is reraising light, I would think this is an easy chk on the flop, and see that he does. You want to show your hand down obv., but a little pot control on your part was in order here.
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I dont think this is donk-y at all, i would find it hard to fold TPTK against an unknown without any read.
Only thing I would recommend is that once you have decided you are stacking off, you should play it a bit slower on that flop to get a bit of value out 1010-QQ, AQ, and whatever else he is reraising with out of the SB - eg. flat calling the flop bet, and hoping he fires again on the turn. Obviously still getting it in bad against AA/KK, but way ahead of other hands that might call a turn raise/shove with that much in the pot.
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By
w0undy
on
05-13-2008 10:15 AM
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I think that the donk-o-meter hits red for those that think they can read an opponent without knowing the least about him. I hope I sit on the same table all the time with guys that when I re-raise pot-sized pre-flop they will know right away that I have aces.
Let's replay the hand.
You raise pre-flop, no question about this being wrong.
You get re-raised and flat call. In the worst case, your opponent will be very tight and re-raise you only with hands such as AKs,AKo,AQs,QQ++. You are the underdog, having 45% against the total of these hands. Pot odds are 50%. In my humble oppinion it worths a no-second-thought call. If you fold AKs on a re-raise what the hell would you call with? Nothing but aces? Would you not be too easy to read for your opponents then?
Flop is REALLY harmless. You have TPTK. The only hands you are loosing to and are in the range of your opponent are KK, AA. Your hand is a 62% favourite against the total of hands that we assumed your opponent re-raised you. I believe we all agree that the opponent is not re-raising with 66 or 33.
Opponent bets out of possition. A weak bet about 55% of the pot. There are two possibilities. Either he wants to steal the pot if possible, or he wants you to feel he is trying to steal and re-raise him. Poker is a game where you have to buy information and the only way to know when you are is to re-raise.
Hypothetical scenario: you flat call. turn is harmless, he bets $60 into $120 pot and you call it again (you have put allready $60 and pot odds are 1/2, can you fold?). river is harmless, he shoves, you have $80 left, pot is $240. Isn't that donkey ? Only way to fold is either pre-flop (I allready explained that it would be way too stupid in my opinion), or at the $32 flop bet (this would be even more stupid)
You re-raise 32 to 90. Someone please tell me what is better than this decision.
Opponent re-raises all-in. Your $80 left in a $260 pot, less than 1/4. No question call.
In a nutshell, I think that in poker there are some hands that you are supposed to pay and get paid. This is one of them for sure. Opponent got lucky with the K on flop, and played it as he should to manage getting you all-in.
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I have been reading this site for a few years and I have to say, that last statement about some hands you are just supposed to pay off is one of the best and truest lines I have read!
Thanks
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