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Sigh river spot against station, micro cash... snap fold? Exactly, he is not protecting any hands. Nominally the math says he has to raise to protect vs. draws. A check/call says he is strong enough he wants you to catch up enough to pay off. Obviously that can be a bluff or just plain bad play but his betting says he wants you pay him off. I was hoping for shanetrain22 to explain his response. Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Sep 1st, 2011
Sigh river spot against station, micro cash... snap fold? Just curious as to why you put in a bet on the end' As you say we have to fold a raise and I can't think of any hand he can call a bet with that we can beat. Please discuss why you bet this river. Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 31st, 2011
Sigh river spot against station, micro cash... snap fold? Why would a A2ss raise' I can't see him check calling any draw except maybe A6ss and thats still bad at the price you offered.... Overall I like your play on the flop, you asked if the pot was for sale & the answer was no and a check/call shows real strength. I also like your play on the turn, not because I think your K is good but for the info. On this board with the str8 flopped & the turn bringing the flush draw the only hands that are really strong enough to check/call rather than check/raise are made str8s with a redraw to the flush and really only the nut flush, 76ss is to likely to ... Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 31st, 2011
Easy bubble hand call (i thought) that I got berated for 10 minutes over... Do nothing to discourage the one berating you and DO take note for future reference. Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 30th, 2011
Sigh river spot against station, micro cash... snap fold? Ummmmmm - tons of made hands I was beating. - WHAT'''''''' You are playing 250ish BBs deep cash, the only made hand I see you still beat here 1 PR + draw and maybe a tiny % of 77+. I really don't think you see many over pairs to the flop because he'll check/raise most of the smaller ones on the flop to protect them & he would have re-raised pre on the bigger ones both for protection and to get some info on your hand. He was getting almost 5:1 direct on his call & the OR (you) had him covered at more than 250 BB, if he's at all good he's EV+ to see a flop with ATC. When he check/calls the ... Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 27th, 2011
Top pair, weak kicker on draw heavy board, thoughts on best line? (Live tournament) I don't mind a check/fold as played but I still like bet/call better. I only looked it up, I'm mostly play live cash but I do some of these small fast live ones. My guess, and this is only a guess as they didn't provide a structure sheet online, given that it's 6K/orbit now that next level is 9Kish/orbit and 14Kish after that. If we are fresh on the level, that gives us about 3 orbits before we're blinded down to crippled, but if we are ready to go up in the next hand or two then its more like 2 orbits. Had it been me sitting behind this hand I would have raised pot pre-flop, I may look ... Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 23rd, 2011
Top pair, weak kicker on draw heavy board, thoughts on best line? (Live tournament) All true and I don't mind the fold but if the blinds/antes cripple you in 20/30 hands skill/spots later may not matter. While we do have a nominal M of 6, we expect to take 5 blinds in 4 levels so our effective M may be as low as 2 or 3 depending on how long is left in this level and the price of the next couple of levels. These small fast live ones are often structured as shove fests. This one doesn't provide the structure sheet online but you buy in cheep & start with 10K in chips & the next one starts 7 hours later so I assume its a really fast structure :) If the structure is slower ... Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 23rd, 2011
Top pair, weak kicker on draw heavy board, thoughts on best line? (Live tournament) setup: They don't post a structure sheet but they do specify buy-in, starting stack (10K) & level time (20 min). I'm guessing these are apx. 6 hrs long as the next one starts @ 7PM so I expect the blind structure is FAST!!!!! I expect you sit down to hand 1 with an effective M of 7 or 8, maybe less. To keep up you need to double up about every 1.5 orbits. This Spot: The pre-flop pot is 13K so betting 5K into 4 players is a bit light, but much more & you are committed. For me the key to this spot is the speed of the structure, IMHO waiting is always wrong here. I lead out pot or a bit over ... Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 23rd, 2011
$1600 Turning Stone Main Event, 9 players Left Looks like he'll be shoving the river close to 100%, doesn't that line that imply you are calling the river' What card falls on the river we are happy to see' I'm really trying to get a better handle on MTT play & I'm trying to figure out what would be worth getting another 1/5 (to over 40% now) of our starting stack in here knowing he has < pot left back' Insights appreciated Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 17th, 2011
$1600 Turning Stone Main Event, 9 players Left I really hate the call on the turn and I'm curious as to why you made it. I would think it was a pure shove/fold spot. He makes a tiny 1/5 pot bet offering you 6:1 to call now and implying a 2.7:1 call on the river, he says he has a monster. If you believe him then fold, if not shove back now. my 2 cents Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 16th, 2011
final table shortstack spot Given the differences between the closer to this of the 2 I tried before we had the structure and this I think it reflects the value of moving up the pay scale to at least 3rd. 1st 2nd & 3rd are much flatter between them than I had assumed. From my point of view the ratio between our shove & the BB' call range's from that to yours is notable. The shove range dropped by less than 1/3 (29.1% down to 21.6%) but the BB's call range was cut almost in 1/2 (32.1% down to 17.9%). Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 16th, 2011
P5s Training Strategy Discussion - Hand from $50 Cubed Nice insight into the differences between live cash & mtt thought processes and implied responces. I do have a question - If you had taken the standard line with a c-bet, what do you think the chances are he would have 1. gotten to the turn' 2. shipped the turn' Exelent thread! Thanks Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 16th, 2011
P5s Training Strategy Discussion - Hand from $50 Cubed Can you have an A or a K' sure you can, but you specified in your original post that he knows your game well, you are "very active", you are opening close to ATC & he knows that. Given your line, he'll discount those quite a bit even before you bet on the end. What value can you be repping' The str8' Not likely, possible but your line the rest of the hand says that isn't in your range. 2 PR' Sure, but the str8 got there so some of the time you could check these back. The sets' Possible, but really the sets would have repopped the turn a huge % of the time with 2 str8 draws & a flush draw ... Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 15th, 2011
P5s Training Strategy Discussion - Hand from $50 Cubed . Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 15th, 2011
P5s Training Strategy Discussion - Hand from $50 Cubed If as some points in this thread say you call the ship with anything you bet out, then raising anything he thinks is good is the correct play. Weak Ks, random 9s, sets, 2 PR, nutz, whatever, if he thinks he holds the winner and believes you always call then he always raises. So in this case the answer is the obvious one - he raises his value hands for value. It isn't a bluff in that case. Sorry, I didn't even consider you may both think of this as a noFold'em spot :) {edit strike out} You've been showing a middling hit from go - now you bet the river. Your line basically excludes the nutz ... Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 15th, 2011
P5s Training Strategy Discussion - Hand from $50 Cubed I'm more of a live cash player so I'll take your badges as gospel on balancing your range in an mtt. My point is mostly that given that your line has been saying middling value & can we plz see a cheep showdown all along & now you put in a bet on the end' Sure you could have hit 2 PR or been slowing a set the whole way or even rivered the str8, this still looks a lot more like you decided you can only win if you bet. He can even think you'll fold out 1/2 the time & he shows a profit if you do no matter about the cards. As I said above I think he feels he needs to win some of the times you ... Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 14th, 2011
P5s Training Strategy Discussion - Hand from $50 Cubed He knows I know he knows I know.......... Leveling games LOL The more I look the more it looks like meta-game fun :) Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 14th, 2011
P5s Training Strategy Discussion - Hand from $50 Cubed And this is why that river bet looks like bluff to him a big % and a good spot to raise you off your hand :) Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 14th, 2011
P5s Training Strategy Discussion - Hand from $50 Cubed Let alone the info we started with that he knows our hero's game well and we've been "very active" so that bottom 1/4 hands are in our opening ranges. With 4:1 direct from the current pot and 24x the call back he has easily enough to set mine as well as speculate in middle suited and/or connected cards. That 4:1 is after all 1/2 way to the nut for a mine already. Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 14th, 2011
P5s Training Strategy Discussion - Hand from $50 Cubed I agree that likely he will get it in pre with the PRs and for sure the paint PRs, but they are still possible to balance his ranges. 2% overall seems reasonable given a 90/10 raise/call split on the times he has them. I think he has the draw far more frequently and Ks and 7s are both in his range as well as air. Sorry I wasn't clear here - lets try again: As I said at the top - This spot seems to me to be largely a meta-game play between you two. You gave us the info that you are very familiar with each others game and I assumed it was correct. He know you are very active and your ... Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 14th, 2011
P5s Training Strategy Discussion - Hand from $50 Cubed Pre: Given your setup the meta-game is the key here I think. EndlessJ knows your game so he has dog-snot low suited 2-gaps and other bottom 1/4 hands in your close to ATC opening range. He can/should call out of the blind pretty wide. Flop: Sure you'll play draws & air this way some % to balance your range but I agree you look like you got a little taste of the flop. The A & most Ks you'll be betting a big % of the time with the draws out there & he knows you have lots of 7s in your range so it really looks to him like the 7 with maybe a small % Ks. Turn: He puts in a touch more that 1/2 ... Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 13th, 2011
final table shortstack spot Not sure how useful this is but a nash ICM using 0.35/0.23/0.17/0.13/0.12 for the payout % gives: Shove: 29.1%, 22+ Ax+ K6s+ KTo+ Q9s+ QTo+ J9s+ T9s 98s We call UTG's shove: 7.2%, 77+ AJs+ AJo+ BB calls us: 32.1%, 22+ Ax+ K5s+ K9o+ Q9s+ QTo+ J8s+ JTo T8s+ 98s 87s = ----------- Using 0.45/0.23/0.13/0.09/0.04 for the payout % gives: Shove: 26.1%, 22+ Ax+ K9s+ KTo+ QTs+ QJo JTs We call UTG's shove: 10.9%, 55+ A8s+ A9o+ BB calls us: 29.7%, 22+ Ax+ K6s+ KTo+ Q9s+ QTo+ J9s+ T8s+ 98s 87s = Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 13th, 2011
10NL cash hand - checking line Looks like you got all-in - what more can you ask' You flopped the nutz.... With your remaining stack after the flop call being less than the pot the c/c looks super strong especially after your 3-bet. I think leading out in line with your normal c-bet amount is a better line. That will look less strong & will show monster values behind your c-bet ranges for later meta reference. I assume he showed you AA or AK & turned a 2 or 3 outer - its poker :) Reload time. my 2 cents Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 13th, 2011
How do I get out of this trap? It is a cash game & the BB is getting almost 4:1 to see a flop. True he has a tiny stack but he has 2 players in that both cover him & 10x the pre-flop call back and he closes the action - I think any 2 Broadway, lots of suited connectors along with all the set-mines are in his range. With his stack and $19 in after his call I think he ships any pair in paint. If the action goes Flop:c/b/f/c Turn:c/c River: ship/' - you call that' Flop:c/b/f/ship/' - you call that' I really don't like tiny stacks over-calling big % of their stacks in multi-way pots. Just hasn't been profitable for me to ... Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 11th, 2011
How do I get out of this trap? It isn't the 3rd J that's the issue, it's the c/c for 1/3 of a tiny stack. When a tiny stack is maximizing a multi-way pot I've found that to be an absolute monster with a ridiculously high frequency. With the pre-flop action I'm thinking something like KJ, QJ, JT, J9 for cheep in the blind, he flopped the set & with his tiny stack is going with it. If we bet, I think we get calls from 55, 66, 77, 88, 99, TT, QQ & any J. We only beat 3 of those & the BB has said he has a monster. We have good showdown value so why turn our hand into a bluff' Also, I don't like the bet size at all, $18 ... Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 11th, 2011
How do I get out of this trap? UTG 6 handed I like the raise pre, you got a couple of calls - reads on the players would help here. Interesting flop :) rainbow disconnect but paired in paint. I like the flop bet after it's checked to you. The CO's call in position can be disbelief in your c-bet but the BB's c/c getting more the than 1/3 of his SHORT stack in the middle - Ummmmmm warning klaxons & flashing red lights. You checked back the turn - I like that. On the river with $50ish in I don't like the $18 bet - bad sizing. If you think you are betting value here go 30ish to set the BB all in. I like checking the river, ... Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 9th, 2011
Profitable steal? I'm not much of an online player. W/O any read stated I think the BB will call fairly wide if its folded to him given that he has more than 10% of his stack in & less than 10 BBs to start. I've both seen & played blind/dark calls in live small buy-in tournys in these spots. The small blind also has a very short stack....... I wouldn't be too surprised to see both call you. I'm thinking the call ranges are about 1/3 of hands, something like: 22+,A2+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,98s,87s,76s,KTo+,QTo+,JTo,T9o,98o rand vs. 1 hand in this range makes you a 3:2 dog rand vs. 2 hands in this range makes ... Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 7th, 2011
little help with 1/2 live spot You didn't say how deep the other players in before you are. I'm not a big fan of calling with 43s here, you got one of the best flops you could hope for & you still have a hard hand to play - not a great spot to put yourself in. That said you are getting 3.5:1 so if you and at least one of the calls before you are over 100 BB deeps it is playable if marginal. Don't get me wrong, I like suited connectors but this low you get really VERY negative EV on the flush (LOL - no one can hit a smaller flush) and that drives down the overall EV on the hand quite substantially. OK lets look at the ... Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Aug 5th, 2011
live $1/2 - 3bet pot, weird flop spot Section 1: It looks like you didn't account for both hands in you estimate of our equity. We have the OR and the SB who cold called a 3-bet with a short stack. At the point we have to take our action we are more concerned with the ORs probable action than the SB - but we still have 2 hands live even if we give both your range we have 47.837% equity vs. both, yes the overlay from the pot is nice but the question is what hands from that range can they play back at us with' That range has us crushed as it is mostly made flushes & sets...... Section 2: The pot will be 62 the SB has 120 back so ... Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Jul 29th, 2011
live $1/2 - 3bet pot, weird flop spot I'm not getting my stack in the middle. I feel quite strongly we are way behind or a little ahead - a very negative expectation. If he wants to play a big pot I give it up. I'm not so sure a he bets out, remember this board looks bad to him too and he has the OR and the 3-better both active behind him & potentially trapping if we check the flop. With a set the c/r is easy for him on the flop with 7 & 10 outs for a boat he has ~30% vs. a made flush. Given the current pot & any tiny amount of FE and its a great play and it is a 1/2 table so someone (Ummmm US') could stack off light here ... Posted in: Poker Discussion	saukendar Jul 29th, 2011

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