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Any libertarians up in hurrr? FYP ;) Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 20th, 2012
Any libertarians up in hurrr? Okay, I think it's pretty silly to think there's only one clear answer. I'm glad you're dismissing the life's work of many thoughtful, intelligent people. What qualifications do you have that give you such arrogance' :) fwiw, I'm speaking very broadly when I say "the other side". Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 19th, 2012
Any libertarians up in hurrr? herp derp. that's what I said. No system will lead to a utopian society, whether global or isolated. I'm saying libertarianism is a valid option(given what we know/depending on your values) but I think there are better ones. I'm not sure I've ever read/heard a libertarian say another option may have comparable merit. Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 19th, 2012
Any libertarians up in hurrr? I think any system will result in a skewed distribution of resources. That's just gonna be how it is. People have different skills and motivations and striving for complete equality is futile. I just think it's important we try and strive towards equal rights and for everyone to have an equal and fair chance in life. I fully admit that some form of libertarianism may be our best option to achieve those goals. I just believe otherwise. The point of this thread was to see if there were any libertarians willing to admit their idea, like all ideas for a global system, suffers from the inherent ... Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 19th, 2012
Any libertarians up in hurrr? I'll admit, it was a silly point to make. It oversimplifies the issue, is hard to measure and its importance differs from person to person. Personally, I think happiness is pretty important and I disagree with you guys that people are happier now then they were a few centuries ago. I don't think life was without hope. I don't disagree with this. I agree with this. I'm not knowledgeable enough to attempt to represent my point here, I don't think. I just think things are too complicated to try and simplify and say that the world isn't overpopulated because there's technically ... Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 19th, 2012
Any libertarians up in hurrr? I wasn't trying to say that overpopulation directly causes unhappiness. I was responding to the notion that the "human condition" is better now then it was 500 years ago. In whatever ways it's better, I'm not sure it has lead to an increase in happiness. I don't think we're happier because we can't smell our shits and we don't have AC. We'd certainly be less happy if we went from a state of enjoying such things to a state where no such things existed but when the reality is just that you smell your shit and it's fucking hot in the summer, I think you can be happy anyway. I mean, think how ... Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 18th, 2012
Any libertarians up in hurrr? There's many ways to judge the human condition, if happiness isn't nearly as important to you as plumbing and AC then I feel bad for you. I don't know if I'd prefer being happier. It's not like I'm especially unhappy but I really don't know if I'm happier with my relatively easier 21st century life. This is a major reason we can't just adopt a free market approach now. As well as that, I'm pretty sure if we started from scratch in a system with 0 regulation or government control the same sort of skew would occur. I'm glad you're so sure of that. Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 18th, 2012
Any libertarians up in hurrr? You think people are happier then they were a few centuries ago' You think they might be happier if there were less people' It's complicated, a lot of the things that make life easier probably wouldn't exist if not for high populations. Imo, there's a lot of issues that come along with the population increases that might make the easier life come hand in hand with the more unhappy life. Assuming these are simple issues is obtuse, imo. I certainly prefer my life now to what my life would likely be like a few hundred centuries ago. I'm not sure I'm happier, though. Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 17th, 2012
Any libertarians up in hurrr? I'm not really sure why I mentioned policies or worldview, sorry. :P My assertion is that there has been too many other changes in the world to isolate population growth and the "human condition". I'm not sure how anyone could disagree. That doesn't even get into whether the human condition actually has improved. That is another complicated question having a lot to do with variance. Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 17th, 2012
Any libertarians up in hurrr? What' How can you possibly look at a complex system like "the world" and say factor 'x' has increased (population) and factor 'y' hasn't (tyranny and war) so therefore an increase in 'x' does not lead to an increase in 'y'' You're making these absurd statements as if they can be proven. Perhaps someday it will be possible for humans to make completely objective, scientific decisions about policies within a nation state. At the moment, we aren't even close. Unfortunately, forming a worldview is as much an art as it is a science, imo. Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 17th, 2012
Survivor: One World Official Thread I mean, this is what we were shown in the edit. It's not that simple. Alicia and Christina don't see what we see and it's certainly plausible Tarzan is playing both sides. Don't forget that despite his idiosyncrasies the man is very intelligent. Kim just worked her magic and sold that shit. lol cardfish. I think you're probably right but you could likely have had a better deal! ;) Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 12th, 2012
New abortion method I have 2 daughters and have seen both their ultrasounds. If I found out my wife was pregnant tomorrow, I'd snap get an abortion if she was down with it. I just don't see it the same way as you. I feel like it's more complicated then most pro-choicers think because we live in a democracy. People genuinely feel abortions aren't an option and it's disrespectful to take it lightly, imo. I don't know at which point in a pregnancy I'm okay with an abortion. i know I'm 100% fine with it in the first month and I really think 90% of parents should make that choice. There's far too many kids in the ... Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 12th, 2012
Game Of Thrones Season Two No Spoilers posted ITT please I guess it's just semantics and I feel the same way as others. Joffrey is very well written and acted and I love that the character exists. I just have no positive feelings for the character itself.. Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 12th, 2012
New abortion method I was being facetious, brah! Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 11th, 2012
Game Of Thrones Season Two No Spoilers posted ITT please Yea, really like the actor but the character is too insecure to actually love, imo. I'm all about rooting for a badass villain but Joff is just a little crybaby. Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 11th, 2012
New abortion method I think I'm closer to pro abortion then I am pro choice but if you think it's not a bit more complicated then lol pro lifers then you're likely not nearly as smart as you think you are! edit. FREEEEEEEEEEEEEDUMBBBBB Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 11th, 2012
2+2 Forums Hacked I thought the same thing. I expected it to be back by now given the "conservative" qualification. :( Posted in: Poker Community	sufur May 10th, 2012
Survivor: One World Official Thread Yea, I really feel like it'll be close with Kim. Think she needs to go with Christina and Alicia to win. Or pwn FTC, I guess. Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 10th, 2012
Any libertarians up in hurrr? Human nature doesn't change but its effects do. Geo Libertariansim sounds interesting. I think you'll run into the same sorts of problems when dealing with how the money is collected and distributed. Not sure I agree with this, but I guess that's mostly semantics. I just don't really know what to think about ownership. I don't think you'll ever find a way to bridge the gaps between the multitude of ways to look at the world. It doesn't really matter anyway, the collective won't agree to libertarianism nor my idea of government, not any time soon, anyway. Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 8th, 2012
Any libertarians up in hurrr? I don't disagree with any of that. I've said many times that most liberal-minded people are fairly hypocritical. I mean, lol, the liberals in America elect the Democrats and seem to think they're left of center! Humans and human interactions are complex, our system of government needs to be, too. Yes, it is. I suppose it's a matter of opinion. Personally, I think we're way beyond the number of humans that are every going to peacefully co-exist. You can think it's because of mismanagement or religion or whatever you think but these things are just symptoms of a problem called human ... Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 8th, 2012
Any libertarians up in hurrr? The world is overpopulated and there's no indication that the trend is going to stop (it will likely slow down a bunch, though). There are and will continue to be a ton of problems associated with overpopulation. Wealth wasn't part of the equation. What' I wasn't making a comparison to Libertarianism in that comment. The notion of government can't be disproven simply because governments haven't worked in the past. Considering what's happened in the past I don't blame anyone for thinking Libertarianism is a better option. I just think you're wrong! :) Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 8th, 2012
Any libertarians up in hurrr? Nice, another great Penn video. Libertarians have to start thinking of governments in a different way. I 100% agree that we have to be very careful with them but a true representation of the people would be limiting a free market to protect said people. It's extremely hard for any one individual to meaninfully oppose a big business or corporation. We all have our own interests to think about, life is hard. Boycotting takes a lot of effort and we all have to exert a lot of effort to survive already. If someone is offering something and we think the price is unfair, there isn't always ... Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 8th, 2012
Any libertarians up in hurrr? I forgot to make a brief comment on gotskillz homeless comments. I think most thoughtful people agree that the vast majority of homeless people can trace their plite to mental illness and/or drug addiction and/or starting their life in poverty (all overlapping conditions, obv). I would add that mental illness resulting in homelessness is much, much more likely to happen if you're poor and in the middle to upper classes people with moderate to extreme mental health issues (obviously depending on their nature) could lead to success. Sometimes an ability to focus on one task without getting ... Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 8th, 2012
Any libertarians up in hurrr? Okay, this seems to be a common misconception at both ends of the ideological spectrum. I think there are very few people who we would deem economically powerful who want the poor to stay poor and oppressed. Humans gonna human, there will always be people who make bad choices and people who will make good choices (the degree to which free will exists is certainly up for debate and "choices" are much more complicated then that, a concept that seems obvious to me). It's in everyone's best interest to try and minimize the economic divide. It seems silly to argue against the notion that ... Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 8th, 2012
Any libertarians up in hurrr? Read the description and sounds pretty cool. I'll look more tomorrow. There's just that pesky process of convincing everyone it's a good idea. :D I'm all for social democracies in the mean time. Let our more educated offspring a few generations down the road figure out a better method. Let's just hope we don't blow everything up in the mean time! Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 7th, 2012
Native Americans Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 7th, 2012
Any libertarians up in hurrr? Yea, people aren't very bright though. Especially, when faced with a complex decision with outcomes that vary greatly in the short and long term. Lots of systems may show great improvement in the short term but 100 years down the road we could be screwed. ahem ahem America. ;) Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 7th, 2012
Any libertarians up in hurrr? yea, glad you clarified later. It was actually their lack of such a concept that lead to the "confusion" about the land being "given" to the Europeans in the first place. notsureifserious.jpg who do you mean by "they" here. really not sure on your point. big +1 The about 2 comments aren't factually incorrect (using humanities rather lacking definition of facts) but just miss the point. lol thisssssssssss. Neeek gets it, fellas. edit. I guess the point is a big disagreement about the definition of prosperity and progress. I really think a lot of the vocal ... Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 7th, 2012
Any libertarians up in hurrr? The only alternative to libertarianism is socialism! Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 6th, 2012
Any libertarians up in hurrr? I blame myself for making a baseless statement about my beliefs in OP. There has never been a relevant free market system to draw examples from and there hasn't really been a decent social democracy to draw examples from. I was looking to have an abstract conversation about my belief that there will be a loss of freedom within a libertarian system, anyway, so it seems silly to abandon other systems for the sole reason that part of them is a loss of freedom. Humans suck, any system we have will result in some people suffering to some degree. It's about minimizing said suffering. Posted in: Off Topic	sufur May 6th, 2012

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